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Banner Lane Southfield.

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Bill Brox

11-15-2005 13:08:28




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Well, both Banner Lane in Coventry and Southfield in Dearborn is closed. Some people say we have to move on.

But where have we moved, have mankind moved on ? Have we moved to the right places, I am not talking about street address, but in life.

At least here in Norway people seem to never look back, what dad and grandad did is not worth anything. When a lawnmover is getting slightly tired they throw it away and buy a new one. No one repairs anymore... the industry is happy, more work and they are growing.

Is a growing industry a good industry ? A growing industry is spending more energy and using up more of the global resources.

I know some are agree with me, in my opinions, and some are disagree with me... it is always like that.

What does this have to do with my hobby, old Ferguson and Massey Ferguson tractors ?

Well, I would not mind if someone bought Southfield or Banner Lane and started producing TE 20 or TO 20, or FE 35 and MF 65, or TO 35, and stopped there. Why do we always have to be so "large scale" in everything. Why do we humans always demand everything so cheap.

And why has everyone to live in the cities, demanding the farmers to work for nothing ?

It should have been a common law on earth that every family at least had to make one type of food, even if not enough for themselves, but some at least.

Some years ago I read that some wanted to start producing the TE 20 again, with a Lister water cooled diesel.

Just some thoughts from me... I wish I had less stress and lived on a farm, and no boss stressing me up constantly.

Bill

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Roy in UK

11-16-2005 01:58:51




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 Re: Banner Lane Southfield. in reply to Bill Brox, 11-15-2005 13:08:28  
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There is a MF 35 "clone" (well almost) produced in India, by TAFE.I have seen them at agricultural shows here in UK. IMT in Yugoslavia produced a 35 clone too, the IMT539. Not all the parts were intechangable with the original MF35 though and the threads were metric.
I think the 'Fergie with the Lister engine' Was in fact a refurbished Ferguson back-end fitted with a Lister engine. I have never heard any more about this venture though.

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John (UK)

11-16-2005 11:14:39




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 Re: Banner Lane Southfield. in reply to Roy in UK, 11-16-2005 01:58:51  
There have been a few different engines fitted to the Ferguson tractor over the years. France in particular had about 3 or 4 different ones, all diesel of course. IMT still produce that tractor but they have changed the hood, since the war out there it seems to be. Roy as you are in UK like me,have you ever heard of a TEY? or an FE35 SNM...think carefully about that last one.



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Roy in UK

11-16-2005 13:45:03




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 Re: Banner Lane Southfield. in reply to John (UK), 11-16-2005 11:14:39  
John,
The TEY seems to ring a bell with me, but not the other one.



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John (UK)

11-17-2005 10:26:06




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 Re: Banner Lane Southfield. in reply to Roy in UK, 11-16-2005 13:45:03  
TEY was a factory built TE series tractor fitted with a Perkins P3 for Yugoslavia, just under 2000 were built. The other one, FE35 SNM, under normal circumstances this would be a standard width Agric tractor with a Perkins diesel and dual clutch BUT the FE35 never had a Perkins diesel fitted, they only had the Standard 23c diesel, the Perkins came out when the tractors were MF35 and painted red and grey (wait while someone says that is wrong...lol) BUT a batch of grey and bronze FE35 were fitted with Perkins P3 engines, again we believe for Yugoslavia. If you cast your mind back the engine in the 35 was a 3A-152 and was fitted from 166595 in 1959 so somewhere there may still be some 35's with P3's fitted unless they were destroyed in the war like a lot of 35's were. (actually IMT539's but same difference). Just a little bit of useless information you may like to know.John

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Roy in UK

11-17-2005 23:22:40




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 Re: Banner Lane Southfield. in reply to John (UK), 11-17-2005 10:26:06  
Thanks John thats very interesting. I have seen a prototype Ferguson on a video with a P4 but it never got beyond that stage apparently. My brother in law has a TE20 with a P3 ( conversion of course)It would be a good find I guess, a 35 with a factory fitted P3. Talking of transition models or 'limited editions', ( If I knew then what I know now) Renault tractors used to be Red, then they changed to a yellowish- orange OK? Well when they changed the colour scheme, they kept some of the older models on for a short while apart from a few cosmetic changes and the addition of a letter s at the end of the model number. e.g the red Renault 851 became the yellow(ish) 851s. Then in 1985 they dropped the s range altogether.
We bought a new 78hp 781s in 1983 ( a very good tractor it was too, would pull the a$$ of a MF 690) then sold it in 1996 when we sold up the farm.It was in very good condition too. So now I find out from a Renault tractor book that only 1107 of that particular model were made....

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John (UK)

11-18-2005 06:10:46




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 Re: Banner Lane Southfield. in reply to Roy in UK, 11-17-2005 23:22:40  
That prototype Ferguson you saw with the P4 engine, was it the LTX60? which looked like a big TEF. Very little is known about this tractor which was quietly shelved when MH took over, it would be interesting if you could confirm that this was the same tractor. With that Renault you had some history in your hands, if only you had known it at the time....John



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Bill Brox

11-20-2005 14:53:21




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 Re: Banner Lane Southfield. in reply to John (UK), 11-18-2005 06:10:46  
John, are you sure it was not the Standard tractor prototype ?


Bill



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John (UK)

11-21-2005 06:46:05




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 Re: Banner Lane Southfield. in reply to Bill Brox, 11-20-2005 14:53:21  
Hi Bill, There was a Standard tractor prototype that was built but this was in about 1958 or thereabouts, the LTX60 was a Ferguson project that was supposed to enter production in 1954 but never made it, no doubt due to the intervention of M-H. The pictures I have seen of it looked just like a Big TE series with 11x32 wheels on the back I don't know much more than that as the pictures were not close ups. The Standard tractor was a completely different machine and this was going to be built by Standard Motors who formed a company especially to do this called the Standard Tractor Co.this was before they were taken over by British Leyland, once that happened it was stopped as they already had the Nuffield/Leyland tractors. There are two examples of this tractor still out there in collectors hands. There are no Ferguson models as far as is known, I hope someone proves me wrong in that as I would love to see what Harry Ferguson had in mind with this big tractor..John

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Roy in UK

11-18-2005 10:02:26




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 Re: Banner Lane Southfield. in reply to John (UK), 11-18-2005 06:10:46  
Hi John,
Did the LTX60 use the P4? I have seen a prototype TEF type with a Perkins 4/99 too.
Yes every day I regret selling that Renault.Talk about a "quart in a pint pot". You should have seen that scooting up hills with a 6.3 metre, 63 tine Kverneland spring tine!



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Glenn/Calif

11-15-2005 15:16:24




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 Re: Banner Lane Southfield. in reply to Bill Brox, 11-15-2005 13:08:28  
Bill: You Norsemen always did have your eyes on the ball and your brain in the right gear. I was raised in what was called the Golden Heart of Alaska, Fairbanks during the thirties, forties and early fifties. And believe me nothing was thrown away. If it broke, fix it. If it couldn't be fixed, save it for parts or make it into something else. Many of our family friends were Norse and I learned a lot from them. I only wish that the kids today had the same "life dependant" education that we had. But you're right, technology has only taught them the feeling of instant gratification not the true value of human existance. Oh well, that's just my two cents worth. Stay safe. Glenn

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Bill Brox

11-16-2005 12:05:30




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 Re: Banner Lane Southfield. in reply to Glenn/Calif, 11-15-2005 15:16:24  
Hello Glenn, thank you for your kind words. Unfotunately the Norsemen you once met in Alaska would be very unlike the modern Norsemen now. Now the Norsemen in Norway throw away as best as they can. I tend to collect things and repair them, because I think it is fun. And, in the end, repairing things and using them some more years saves the resources on earth.

I was in the US last year, and felt more at home with the mid-west people there than I do among my own here. So, well, I am a rather conservative person, and would like the world to move in a more slower pace than it currently do.

In fact, I have 2 hobbies, they are about equally important to me. Both hobbies are connected to the two industrialists on earth that I value most, both had the same basic idea, and both were to be trusted, they did not need more than a handshake to agree, and they kept what they had said.

So, one of the hobbies are as you all know by now, Ferguson and Massey Ferguson tractors, and the other is old American Fords, with the main focus on 1965 Ford Galaxie.

That is why I was so close to the Southfield area last year, I visited the Henry Ford Museum, and I will recommend that museum to everyone. A really nice place to visit, so to John in UK, if you ever go to Detroit, and want to visit Southfield, do not forget the Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village, and then remember a good lunch at the Eagle Tavern. 1850 style food and 1850 style clothes on the staff, and pay attention to "Calvin Woods", the owner of the Tavern, order Limonade, and he will tell you it is good for the scurvy. It was the highlight of my trip to the US.

Oh, well, I could not resist the last one.....


Bill

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John (UK)

11-16-2005 13:16:22




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 Re: Banner Lane Southfield. in reply to Bill Brox, 11-16-2005 12:05:30  
OK Bill, duly noted.....I am going to US in Jan/Feb 06 but only to the sunshine state.



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Ali,fae Crieff

11-15-2005 15:01:15




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 Re: Banner Lane Southfield. in reply to Bill Brox, 11-15-2005 13:08:28  
Bill, Did you ever get my E-mail about parts companys and prices? Ali.



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John (UK)

11-16-2005 11:17:17




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 Re: Banner Lane Southfield. in reply to Ali,fae Crieff, 11-15-2005 15:01:15  
Hello Ali, not seen you for a long time, not since FoFH Forum. Hope you are well in chilly Scotland. John



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Ali,fae Crieff

11-19-2005 02:09:39




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 Re: Banner Lane Southfield. in reply to John (UK), 11-16-2005 11:17:17  
Hi John, yes I'm still here, Sorry to read of the trouble you had recently on this forum but rest assured that those of us with any sense know exactly where your coming from and certainly appreciate your knowledge. Somehow I don't find so much on this forum these days for which I feel I have any worhwhile input and I spend more time over at the FOFH site but even there discussion is involving only a few people and their breadth of knowledge is also obvious,I suppose my knowledge can't be too bad either as the things that stick me I can't seem to get resolved there, but it's still good to read other peoples input.Keep up the good work! cheers, Ali. P.S. Bill, if I can find my way round this d*m* P.C. then I'll maybe get that E-mail posted on to you.

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John (UK)

11-19-2005 08:43:21




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 Re: Banner Lane Southfield. in reply to Ali,fae Crieff, 11-19-2005 02:09:39  
Hi Ali, I understand where you are coming from on the FoFH site when you say only a few people are involved...well that is the reason I don't go there anymore, too few people have far too much to say and that is wrong, it is a Forum after all and everyone has a right to their opinions but they don't get a chance there. Anyway that may all change soon. Any input you can give on here will be greatly appreciated I am sure. Glad to hear you are ok and still battling on....John

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Bill Brox

11-15-2005 23:33:46




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 Re: Banner Lane Southfield. in reply to Ali,fae Crieff, 11-15-2005 15:01:15  
Hi Ali, no I did not. :-)


Bill



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