Complaint from Little Dave

----- Original Message ----- From: llopar@peoplepc.com To: John (UK) Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: YT Forum Message

Well John you are always butting in at places you have no business butting
into after someone has already answered their question. Then giving the
wrong information as to point and plug gaps and valve clearance just to name
a couple of things then the OIL ISSUE. it is absurd to tell these guys crap
like that even if it did work. Then having them email you if they need more
information . The purpose of the forum is to share information. If I answer
a question I know the book specks on it or I don't answer it. I broke apart
my first TO-30 at age 15 in 1954 farming peanuts in Oklahoma..... ...so tell
it like it is or I will make an "ASS" of you.
MY REPLY:-
Hi Dave, Thank you for your interesting comments, I am always pleased to receive them. I reckon we must be about the same age from what you say and I did the same things as you when I was young then I worked as a Ferguson Field Service engineer in the UK for many years doing exactly what I try to do on here only in those days it was more face to face on the Farm or by telephone, so I have a reasonable amount of experience in Ferguson matters. As you know it is a Forum and anyone can answer a question that is posed by someone and if you look back you can see lots of the questions have quite a number of replies which is the way it should be, there are no restrictions on who replies or how many answers are given. The information I give is from my experience plus I check with the factory Service Manuals that I have. The purpose of having them email me for information is that the reply that often they require is a long one and could not be written each time in the space provided so I have them written out already (see information sheets, list attached) and I just send it to them with any suitable comments relating to the work they wish to do or from what they tell me as not all problems do have only one answer. Regarding the type of oil in the Hydraulics and Transmission, I contacted Castrol oil in the UK as a lot of people ask about this and the problems they get in cold climates with the oil being too thick and in some instances they are unable to obtain or it is difficult to obtain GL1 spec oil, the answer I was given was that GL1 oil is no longer a straight oil anyway like it used to be 50 years ago, it does now have certain additives and as a better all round oil that would save changing the oil twice a year like some have to do, if they used a Multi-grade 15W-30 this would not be as thick when cold it and would be thicker if it got hot and as it has some detergent properties this would help to clear out the hydraulic systems of all that sludge that forms. Castrol did the original spec. for the oil for Ferguson and they assure me that the Multi-grade is a far superior oil for the purpose we use it; they are fully aware for what it was being used for and that it was for use worldwide from Iceland through the tropics down to Australia and I do have the email from them to confirm this; I would also say that Multi-grade is widely used in the UK for this purpose. The amount of information I give in a week to Ferguson users is quite a lot, as I go to the Ferguson Forum in the UK and the French Ferguson Forum and the German Ferguson Forum, doing exactly what I do on YTMAG and I have never, ever received a complaint, in fact I have had many, many letters of thanks (hundreds in fact) for the way I explain things so that they can follow it, not a brief abbreviated response they sometimes get which leaves them in the middle of nowhere so they don't know what to do next. For someone who is not technically minded or has only a little mechanical knowledge, service manuals are not always the answer as they are more often than not written for the Service guys in the workshops and usually this is written in the manual itself saying exactly that. Obviously the manuals do help and can help if the person reading it understands the mechanics in the first place, if they don't it might as well be written in Chinese. I am sorry that you don't agree with anything I say but that is up to you, perhaps you shouldn't read any of my replies and it won't upset you anymore. Thanks again for your observations....John PS. Regarding the plug and points gap issue that you have, I have attached a copy of the page from Factory Service Manual I have that quotes the information I gave. It is not a manual from an aftermarket supplier it is a genuine manual from Ferguson in the UK and it was for a TE20 the information was given, not a TO20 which would have been different, the publication number is 819-135M1 and the page is G3

I also sent him a list of the Information sheets I have for anyone who needs explanation in greater detail than you can give here.

Ignore the ignorant remarks!

Zane

Ignore the ignorant remarks!

Zane

The address is admin - at - yesterdaystractors.com

Regarding the mention of the question all ready being answered by someone else,many times several similar diagnosis enable the person requesting help to feel that they have the right answer to their question. It reenforces the advice. The one thing that we a should all try to do is to not have emotional outbursts like this. It ruins the friendly, helpful atmosphere that makes this a great place to seek help.

If Little Dave is reading this, I'd like to believe you were having a bad hair day and just lost it. You are also a valuable contributor to this forum so lets focus on helping the people that ask for our help and not try competing with one another. That's not what these forums are about, in my opinion.

I wont let you see the reply he sent me after I posted it on the website.not pleasant.

Jeff

Just like to let you know that although I do not have a fergie (I'm in the process of doing up a Ford 4000)I always have a looksee on the Ferguson forum to see if there are any replies from you to questions posed. I have always found your replies to be very knowledgeable and interesting; if I ever get hold of a fergie, you would be the first person I would think about asking for advice (I bet you didn't want to hear that!). Keep up the good work,there are some prats out there who don't deserve any help from any one. Just let them get on with it and pull themselves out of the s**t. As far as I'm concerned, you're the man to go to. Regards, Chris.

About oil, sometimes I give it up... people keep nagging about detergent and non-detergent engine oil when they are talking about dispergent and non-dispergent engine oil, and anyway, all major oil companies have long time ago stopped making non-dispergent and non-detergent engine oils simply because they can not meet the newer quality demands without the additives.

And, I have learned my lesson, never advice a special brand to someone, I use Shell Universal Engine Oil, but if you search for that oil outside Norway or Scandinavia you do not find it.
So, what good does it do to advice people to use it when they can never buy it in their own country. The same oil may be found but under a totally different name.

I would say the best is to ask the oil company each individual is using to come up with a complete lubrication chart for your tractor, just state what tractor, engine and year you have, and what kind of use you have and climate you live in, and then let them send you the lubrication chart and if the tractor breaks down, the oil company have a problem and not you.

Bill