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bgray

11-01-2005 17:30:01




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I have a T0-20 and have rebuilt the engine, including new pistons, sleeves, valves, crank ground with new main and rod bearings. Engine starts and runs well. At lower engine speeds everything is fine. At higher engine speeds there is unusual noise coming from the front of the engine. Dont know what the noise is or even how to describe it other than to say it doesnt sound normal. Only thing in the front is the timing gears and governor. Could it be loose gears, camshaft bearings, or something else? Anybody that has any ideas on what this might be would be appreciated. Also, I am having trouble getting the oil filter cover to seal. Put a new rubber ring on and tightned it real tight, but it still wants to drip. Any suggestions on this would also be appreciated. Thanks.

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Mike Mohrhauser

11-04-2005 16:56:58




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 Re: Engine Noise in reply to bgray, 11-01-2005 17:30:01  
Have you checked the end play on the crank shaft?It should be .003-.007 inch.



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gerard

11-03-2005 14:05:00




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 Re: Engine Noise in reply to bgray, 11-01-2005 17:30:01  
What"s your oil pressure? Are crank bearings correct size - eg. not -.030 on a -.020 grind?



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gerard

11-03-2005 14:06:48




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 Re: Engine Noise in reply to gerard, 11-03-2005 14:05:00  
correction - .020 bearings on a .030 grind.



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Mike Mohrhauser

11-02-2005 14:16:48




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 Re: Engine Noise in reply to bgray, 11-01-2005 17:30:01  
Is it a clicking sound? Do you notice it more when it is cold or after the engine has warmed up?

Mike M.



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bgray

11-03-2005 11:57:27




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 Re: Engine Noise in reply to Mike Mohrhauser, 11-02-2005 14:16:48  
No it is not a clicking noise. Although I do have some tappet noise as I have not yet adjusted them, this is different, and comes from the front of the engine. I have taken the belt off to see if it was the generator or water pump, and and it did not help as the clanking noise was still there. Doesn't seem to matter if it is warm or cold. However, engine speed does matter, and it only starts at mid to high engine speed.

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gshadel

11-02-2005 12:58:28




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 Re: Engine Noise in reply to bgray, 11-01-2005 17:30:01  
Can't help much on the engine noise except to point out the obvious.
Bearings in the water pump or generator might be going out. You can test that ever so briefly by dropping the belt and running the engine for a few seconds to see if the sound goes away. The oil pump gear runs off the crank gear. It has a backlash tolerence that needs checked so it doesn't slip or get ground down by the crank gear. The crank gear should be tight if the keyway is good, it was shimmed correctly, and the crank nut is tight. I think the TO-20 doesn't have bearings on the cam, they ride right on the block, not positive on that though. I suppose it is possible the governor assby is loose on the cam gear. The oil pump gear can be checked by dropping the oil pan, the crank gear, governor, etc means pulling the front wheels to get to them.

Oil filter cover, real reason for my post, been there.... Check your cover plate to make sure it is flat, not warped. Check the drop tube that screws into your center main bearing (that is the pipe your bolt screws into to hold the cover plate on), make sure that drop tube is straight, not bent (if the engine was dropped on that tube during a rebuild it can bend) If the pipe is bent you won't get a flush seal. Make sure your filter and that big cover in the oil pan are all set in correctly so your plate will push up flush with the pan. Make sure the oil pan flat around the lip isn't buggered-up, that is the actual seal point for the gasket. My little insurance policy... run a thin bead of silicone gasketmaker around both sides of the big thick rubber gasket when you install the cover plate. Make sure you center the rubber gasket so it mates to the flat of the oil pan all the way around. I've heard of warped oil pans that prevent good seals, but never seen one myself.

George

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