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ALUMINUM TRANSMISSION HOUSING?

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ZANE

10-24-2005 09:41:52




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Am about to trade for a Ferguson tractor with a busted block where it threw a rod through it.

It has the aluminum/magneisum transmission housing. Did the TO 20s have the aluminum/magnesium housings or just the TE?

I may part it out if I do get it.

Zane




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ZANE

10-24-2005 16:16:06




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 Re: ALUMINUM TRANSMISSION HOUSING? in reply to ZANE, 10-24-2005 09:41:52  
This transmission also has the reinforcement struts that go from the bosses on the bottom of the transmission to the front axle support I assume to give it extra strength.

I do recall back in about 1960 repairing a Ferguson tractor for one of our customers at the local Ford dealership that broke into at the front of the transmission when they were trying to pull another tractor out of a mud hole and the Ferguson reared up in the front. When the driver hit the clutch the tractor fell down on the front wheels and that's when it broke into. The transmission we replaced it with was cast iron.

Zane

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danct

10-24-2005 17:15:47




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 Re: ALUMINUM TRANSMISSION HOUSING? in reply to ZANE, 10-24-2005 16:16:06  
zane
look at the following ,is the steering housing assembly all one piece with the transmission cover , if it has Coventry England written on places ,if it has struts from the front axel to the transmission case, if it has #25519 written on the starter ,if the battery terminal for the starter is on the nose of the starter ,if it says England on the distributor cover ,,,if the grill assembly is made up of 3 parts ,if the hood has two handle type for the hood latch;,
if you have a lot of these things then welcome to the world of the TE ferguson,
hope this helps you ,as you have helped me in the past,
Let us know if we can give more information
Good luck
Danny

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John (UK)

10-24-2005 11:56:40




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 Re: ALUMINUM TRANSMISSION HOUSING? in reply to ZANE, 10-24-2005 09:41:52  
Just TE20/TEA20 types tractors had the Magnesium Elektron transmission housing. Although the very first TE20 types did have a cast iron box, not sure how many though as that isn't listed although the box is shown in the parts list.



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Jerry/MT

10-24-2005 10:33:48




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 Re: ALUMINUM TRANSMISSION HOUSING? in reply to ZANE, 10-24-2005 09:41:52  
Pretty "high tech" for that vintage of tractor. Don't know why they would want to do that. Certainly not to reduce the weight! Could have been material shortages. I'll bet John UK would know.



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Mike G. in NB, Canada

10-25-2005 04:41:11




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 Re: ALUMINUM TRANSMISSION HOUSING? in reply to Jerry/MT, 10-24-2005 10:33:48  
Actually, it WAS precisely to reduce weight that they used aluminum housings. :-)



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Jerry/MT

10-25-2005 10:41:35




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 Re: ALUMINUM TRANSMISSION HOUSING? in reply to Mike G. in NB, Canada, 10-25-2005 04:41:11  
Why did they want to reduce the weight of a tractor? Weight is an advantage on a tractor.



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John (UK)

10-27-2005 05:49:07




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 Re: ALUMINUM TRANSMISSION HOUSING? in reply to Jerry/MT, 10-25-2005 10:41:35  
Obviously Jerry you haven't read about Harry Ferguson's philosophy, which was "traction without built-in weight"



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gerard

10-24-2005 11:37:52




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 Re: ALUMINUM TRANSMISSION HOUSING? in reply to Jerry/MT, 10-24-2005 10:33:48  
As far as I know, all TE"s were alloy, all TO"s (USA) cast iron. Aluminium is easier to cast (at half the temperature) and, depending on alloy, easier to machine - but not as strong. Having said that, alloy will withstand shock better than C.I.



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Jerry/MT

10-25-2005 10:51:23




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 Re: ALUMINUM TRANSMISSION HOUSING? in reply to gerard, 10-24-2005 11:37:52  
Maybe they did this for cost reasons, then.
I see they used a couple of "Strut, Front Axle to Transmission Case" (Part No 825 519 M1)on this gear box for the TE-20 so it must not have had the strength they really needed.



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John (UK)

10-27-2005 06:00:17




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 Re: ALUMINUM TRANSMISSION HOUSING? in reply to Jerry/MT, 10-25-2005 10:51:23  
They fitted those struts only to the TE20 with the Continental engine as the oil pan didn't give any strength to the block unlike the one on the Standard Motors engine. There was never any doubt about the strength of the gearbox housing, they were used on Industrial tractors fitted with heavy loaders without problems, I have personally seen them dropped from a truck at various times and they never failed. As I said in an earlier post, the very early ones had a cast iron box fitted then they changed to the Elektron type, but I have never seen any reason given why they did that.

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