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I am not a Ploughman, part 3

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Jeff-oh

09-06-2005 06:52:17




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With the mowing done and the lift working, I wanted to try my hand a plowing for the first time. I was much encouraged and confident after watching the plowing demo at the FENA national show in Jordan, MN a month ago.

Thus, on Monday, I attached my 2-bottom Dearborn plow. I dropped the plow in and only the right hand plow was cutting. I figured it was just the first pass. I came around again, put the wheel in the “trench” and still only the right hand side cut.

I adjusted the level to raise the right and lower the left bottom. This helped; however, the left bottom never really cut all that well. After, 10 or so passes I drove back to the barn.

Inspecting my work, and I made a mess of it. I had a furrow and about 14” of undisturbed land then another furrow. It is a severe wash boarding affect. I think this has occurred because only one of the two bottoms were cutting. Your Thoughts? Also, is it better to plow faster or slower? I tried both 1st and 2nd gear. I could not tell which was better. I though faster may help throw the dirt better, but it is harder on the tractor.

On the plus side, my little TE-20 did great. When I dropped the plow that 57-year-old engine just stepped right up and purred.

Upon, thinking about why only the front right bottom was cutting, I think I had the forward to aft angle too high. The first time I tried to plow the plow just skidded along the soil, never cutting in. This time I really shortened my top ling to get the points to dig in. I may have gone too short and this is why the back (left) never really cut. It was too high both left to right and fwd to aft.

Any tips on how to set-up and adjust a plow? I am sure one demo from someone who knows what they are doing is worth 10,000 words. But this is all I have right now… Unless, is anyone out there near the Cincinnati, Oh area available for a plowing demo??? I’ll bring lunch.

Keep ‘em chugging
Jeff

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chwilliams5

09-17-2005 05:58:14




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 Re: I am not a Ploughman, part 3 in reply to Jeff-oh, 09-06-2005 06:52:17  
How timely. I just picked up my 2 bottom Dearborn plow last weekend for my TE-20. I have no idea what I am doing, or what parts are possibly missing. I know the shares are missing and this group has identified a fellow in Ohio that makes these since they are not available at TSC. How did you get your hands on the manual? I have manuals for all my 50 year old stuff but not the plow.

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Leroy

09-16-2005 16:26:50




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 Re: I am not a Ploughman, part 3 in reply to Jeff-oh, 09-06-2005 06:52:17  
How close to Cincinatti are you? North, south, east or west? I am just a ways up north of you and 5 mile to side of I75



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gerard

09-08-2005 00:30:59




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 A few more thoughts ... in reply to Jeff-oh, 09-06-2005 06:52:17  
Just a few more thoughts - been trying to figure how to explain in as few words as possible:
Check plow is in good condition - no worn out parts (especially points or shares) and SHINY working surfaces (mouldboards etc). If rusty, clean using a brick and remember to oil it all over next time you put it away - earth won't slide over rust.
Don't get caught in a fight between top link and levelling box. Plow should be level both fore & aft and sideways when working. If necessary stop, get off tractor and take a look from a few yards away (plow will be an inch or two higher at front when stopped than when it's underway). Top link needs to be JUST short enough for the plow to penetrate. Any more and the front plow will dig deep whilst the other will go shallow. Trying to compensate by tilting the plow with the levelling box gets you in a real mess.
Should have it working reasonably within a hundred yards or so. Once that's done, fine tune front furrow width, then sideways levelling. After a few passes, fine tune penetration at beginning of furrow on top link.
Good luck & have fun! Plowing is the most satisfying farm job I know.

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Jeff-oh

09-08-2005 05:20:51




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 Re: A few more thoughts ... in reply to gerard, 09-08-2005 00:30:59  
Thanks for all the great responces. I believe that you all have I.D. my error from the start. In a couple of weeks when I can get back out the there I will re adjust and try again. I am in learning mode and am having fun at it. I do not have a particular job that has to get done. My short term goal now is to get the field grass turnned for a wildlife food plot next spring.

Thank again.



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Gene Stevens

09-06-2005 20:03:35




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 Re: I am not a Ploughman, part 3 in reply to Jeff-oh, 09-06-2005 06:52:17  
Here is the full information. The other post was from memory.

PLOWING WITH TO-20
Attach the plow to the 3 point hitch. Drive the tractor's left rear wheel up on a 6 inch block. Use the right hand leveling crank and the top link screw adjustment to level the plow share and the land slide with the ground. Do this on a good level spot or on a level slab of concrete. Pull a string from the back of the land slide to the front of the tractor or further out in front of the tractor and make a straight line beside the land slide to the front of the tractor. The line should angle slightly to the right front wheel of the tractor about 6 inches more than the left. This is to assure that the plow doesn't try to turn the tractor right when the plow comes in contact with the earth. Think of the plow acting as a rudder would on a boat. The way to adjust the angle of the landslide to the left is to loosen the bolts that hold the drawbar that goes across the plow and attaches to the two lower links and twist it in it's cradle until the plow is pointing in the right direction (string pointing to the right at the front of tractor). The plow will have to be raised to let it more easily be moved. Some plows have adjusting bolts that help in turning the plow and in securing it in position. This is just a preliminary adjustment and when in the field it may be necessary to tilt the plow slightly forward by shortening the top link etc. Good luck and let me know how you do.
To prevent the plow from trying to turn the tractor you need to adjust the draw bar. Think of the plow as the rudder on a boat. If you want the boat to turn left you turn the rudder left. The same is true of the plow. The drawbar has an offset on the right side with the offset turned down. To turn the plow as a rudder to the left to make the tractor stop turning right when the plow is engaged loosen the bolt that secure the drawbar to the plow. Turn the drawbar counterclockwise looking at the right end (offset).in order to make the tail of the plow turn to the left. It only takes little to turn the plow tail a lot but do it so that the tail of the plow is moved about 6" to the left. Retighten the bolts that secure the drawbar to the plow.
Put the little lever that is under the seat in the down (draft control position) Move the lift lever till the plow drops to the ground. Advance the tractor and gradually move the lever more down till the plow is at the depth you wish to plow and then set the lever at this point with the stop to make it stay there.
A flat bottom plow should be set so that when the plow opens the furrow the bottom of the furrow will be flat. Hence" flat bottom plow"! If the plow will not go in the ground with the plow set flat, get new plow points.
When using a 14" flat bottom plow the distance from the inside edge of the right rear wheel should be 14" from the most forward point of the first plow. Or 14" from the landside of the first plow to the inside of the RR tire. The tires of the tractor should have water in them or wheel weights.

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Gene Stevens

09-06-2005 18:38:58




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 Re: I am not a Ploughman, part 3 in reply to Jeff-oh, 09-06-2005 06:52:17  
Park the left rear wheel of your tractor on a six inch high block. Adjust the plow til it is flat on the ground. Site down the backside of the inside plow to the front of the tractor. It should be 6-9" to the right of center. That should put you very close with only minor adjustments. That is from the "Ford" board and works for my TO 20. I use four 2X6 nailed together for the right height. Gene

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Myrl (PA)

09-06-2005 18:12:31




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 Re: I am not a Ploughman, part 3 in reply to Jeff-oh, 09-06-2005 06:52:17  
Just a thought but my fergy will not plow right with antiswaybars on ..... . plow must be able to swing side to side to go into ground right and main thing is to be sure the plows are level once in the ground



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Jeff-oh

09-06-2005 19:22:38




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 Re: I am not a Ploughman, part 3 in reply to Myrl (PA), 09-06-2005 18:12:31  
Sway bars were not installed.



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phil Fenner

09-06-2005 15:37:35




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 Re: I am not a Ploughman, part 3 in reply to Jeff-oh, 09-06-2005 06:52:17  
Jeff, I am new to plowing as well, and I was told by my resident expert to set the top link to 25 inches in length along with the other comments on levelling and I can only say that worked real well for me. Of course your plow share needs to be sharp and properly shaped(I think the plow book describes how to do this.)

Phil(WA)



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gerard

09-06-2005 14:59:57




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 Re: I am not a Ploughman, part 3 in reply to Jeff-oh, 09-06-2005 06:52:17  
2nd gear for ploughing, but don"t go daft - too fast and the dirt flies instead of turning - result - weeds. Speed depends on shape of mouldboard- some plows (can"t get used to your lingo) can work up to 4mph - others, such as breezers need to go slower. Soil condition makes a difference too.
As for setup - there"s nowt like experience, but you"ve already discovered the top link"s too long. Like another post said - I could show you in 5 mins, but it"d take a thousand words.
Basically the width of the tractor wheels need to be set so the width of the 1st furrow is right. On non-reversibles it"s possible to cheat a bit - also on some modern stuff too.
The top link needs to be set so the plough digs into full depth within about 2/3rd of a tractor"s length of forward travel. Then adjust the levelling box on the right arm so both furrows are equal in height. If one is then wider, go back to my first comment. There"s nothing as satisfying as good ploughing - just takes a little practice. The more you do, the better you"ll become. Watching others wion"t get you far.

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Jeff-oh

09-06-2005 19:43:16




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 Re: I am not a Ploughman, part 3 in reply to gerard, 09-06-2005 14:59:57  
Thanks, The insite provided by the more expierence people is always helpful.

Jeff



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gerard

09-06-2005 15:07:59




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 Re: I am not a Ploughman, part 3 in reply to gerard, 09-06-2005 14:59:57  
Forgot to mention - the ferguson reversible plough (sorry, plow), with discs and ransomes skimmers, was one of the nicest plows I've ever used. Could get that to pull 16" furrow at almost 16" deep and it turned the soil beautifully - never any weeds on top. Worst I ever used was a Huard.



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john(UK)

09-06-2005 07:18:59




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 Re: I am not a Ploughman, part 3 in reply to Jeff-oh, 09-06-2005 06:52:17  
Jeff if you mail me at:= fergusontractors at tiscali dot co dot uk
I have some information that may help you to start ploughing.



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steveormary

09-06-2005 09:06:17




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 Re: I am not a Ploughman, part 3 in reply to john(UK), 09-06-2005 07:18:59  
Jeff;

We used 2nd gear for plowing and run engine at about 3/5ths throttle. This was with the TE-20,TO-30 and a 641 Ford with the 4speed tranny.

As to how to set up the plow can you get a manual for the plow? I could do it if I was there but cant put it in writting.

Just be careful. steveormary



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Jeff-oh

09-06-2005 13:14:34




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 Re: I am not a Ploughman, part 3 in reply to steveormary, 09-06-2005 09:06:17  
I have a manual for the plow. However, all it says is "the top link is a compression member and is used to hold the plow at the proper angle to the ground." What the proper angle is, is not discussed. Same is true of the left right adjustment.

I have heard that if you drive the tractor up on 2 8" blocks to simulate the tractor with the right wheels in a furrow and then adjust the plow level to the ground it will be close.

Bottom line, I had fun trying, I will make some adjustments and try again.

Jeff

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

09-06-2005 14:28:07




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 Re: I am not a Ploughman, part 3 in reply to Jeff-oh, 09-06-2005 13:14:34  
I just learned this myself, but here goes.

Find a flat surface. Park the tractor and plough on it. Adjust the plough until it sits flat. That's your starting point and your setting for the first run. After the first run drop your wheels into the "trough" and adjust the right hand control on the 3 pt hitch until the plough is again level. A little goes a long way here.

Then try again. I find it's best to have another tractor on a disk to hide the evidence from more experienced observers as soon as the day's ploughing is completed.

Hey, we may make a mess, but the plants will still grow.

Don't under any conditions take off the top link. It is all that keeps the tractor from flipping over backwards if you hit an obstruction. A chain doesn't push well.

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Jeff-oh

09-06-2005 19:40:11




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 Re: I am not a Ploughman, part 3 in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 09-06-2005 14:28:07  
Thanks for the info. As an Engineer I fully understand the mechanics of the 3-point system. But book learnin' dosen't always measure up to practical learning.

The first time I tried it was near 37 Deg C (99F) and The plough just skidded along the ground. I had the top link so long (set for my mower) that the leading edge of the shares were pointed up and did not cut in. I didn't remove my OCR and it was hitting the coulter support. Between the heat, and general failure to do any thing I gave up.

Over the weekend, I tried again. This time I over compensated on the top link. I shortened nearly as far as I could. This had the desired effect of getting the leading share to cut in but it lifted the aft share off the ground.

Maybe next time it will be just right... Thanks to this board I think I have the knowledge, I let you all know if it works.

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john (UK)

09-08-2005 09:28:00




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 Re: I am not a Ploughman, part 3 in reply to Jeff-oh, 09-06-2005 19:40:11  
The standard setting of a top link is 25" centre to centre of the pin holes, at that it should plow if the shares are not worn or the ground not too hard, you would need to shorten slightly to allow it to pull in the ground if it was like that.



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