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BURNT POINTS

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JERRYDOYON

07-06-2005 14:18:26




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Hey Guys,
This weekend I burned another set of points, they were only a few months old. Any idea about why I am going through points like this. This is the second set in less than a year. I put an old set in that I had lying around just to get me through the day of mowing. They are Delco types. My buddy says they are just made so cheap these days, but that seems tough to believe that they are that cheap. I also make sure I turn off the key everytime I shut down, so I don't think it is the key switch, although that switch has been squirly in the past and I should replace it. I am about ready to convert to electronic ignitions system since I burn points and foul plugs often.

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gshadel

07-07-2005 09:23:36




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 Re: BURNT POINTS in reply to JERRYDOYON, 07-06-2005 14:18:26  
Jerry... sounds to me like you have a bad condenser, and/or your point gap is too close. Both those factors contribute to breaking the arc across your points... which burns them up.

When you replace your points, are you replacing the condenser too? If your point gap is off even a couple thous., they will arc.

I think Jim was referencing this too, make sure your distributor shaft is stable, not floating back and forth as it turns due to a worn bushing, that throws-off your point gap.

The fouled plugs is a typical indicator of a weak ignition problem. I'll bet they are related to your burned points.

When your points break the battery current to your coil, it causes a collapse of the coil field, giving your high voltage spark. If your points are arcing, the high voltage field is deminished... weak spark... fouled plugs.

Also, make sure your your coil polarity is connected correctly to your battery lead. For a pos. ground system, The manual says the + term. on the coil is hooked to.... the lead to the points... I think. The engine will probably run either way, but you get the strongest spark when the polarity is correct on the coil.

Hope this helps

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Jim in OH

07-06-2005 14:58:00




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 Re: BURNT POINTS in reply to JERRYDOYON, 07-06-2005 14:18:26  
Could be several things... Burnt points are due to high current and/or arcing.. You didn't say if this was a stock 6 volt ignition or not. These are a couple of things that I remember that could be a problem.

1. Capacitor (Condensor) could be bad. This capacitor prevents excessive arcing when all other components are working properly. This is cheap and good insurance; you should probably replace it.

2. Too much current throught the coil. 2a. If you have converted to 12 volts and are still using the 6 volt coil, you should be using a ballast resistor to drop the volts to the coil. 2b. Also, even is using a 6 volt system, if the coil has some shorted turns it will reduce the normal resistance (and still may work) and create high current. 2c. Also, a malfuctioning generator/regulator/alternator could have raised the voltage to an abnormally high level. Check the voltage.

3. Bouncing points. Usually this is aproblem with high reving engines, and not tractor engines. However, wrong spring tension, worn distributor cam, poor gap adjustment, etc. can contribute to this.

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JERRYDOYON

07-07-2005 14:32:05




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 Re: BURNT POINTS in reply to Jim in OH, 07-06-2005 14:58:00  
The tractor was converted to 12-V when I bought it, However it had a generator with a Voltage regulator. The condensor is new, I put in on with the last set of point, along with a new dist cap. I converted it to a Delco Alternator myself. It was a used alternator, but seems to be working fine. I suppose I could check to see it the output voltage in Ok... Don't they put out something like 14 - 15 volts? There is no Ballast resistor on the coil, although I have read about the need for these. HMMMM sounds like a possible suspect???
I assumed that I did not need one, since there wasn't one on there to begin with. Do you think I need one? If I knew the value and power rating, I am sure I could get one to put on the coil.

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Jerry/MT

07-07-2005 16:17:23




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 Re: BURNT POINTS in reply to JERRYDOYON, 07-07-2005 14:32:05  
If you didn't put a ballast resistor in series with your coil, you've at least doubled the current through your points and that's what's causing them to burn. You need to put a reistor in primary circuit to take the voltage at the coil down to 4.5 to 5.0 Volts like it does for a 6 volt system. It think a 1- 1.25 ohm resistor is all you, but search through the archives on this topic and you'll find the right resitor rating or go to the 8N forum and you'll find it there.

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