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Chevy v6 in TO-30

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Bud Vance

04-24-2005 13:43:59




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A friend of mine owes me a favor, to repay it he wants to give me a TO-30 that has thrown the #2 rod. I have a 260 Chevy V6 out of a S-10 with 4 speed tranny that was wrecked about a year ago. I have seen 8Ns with Ford and Chevy V8s in them, and was wondering about putting the V6 in the Fergie, and how much work would it be. Has anyone done such a thing and could you give me some pointers?




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cdmn

04-25-2005 19:30:12




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 Re: Chevy v6 in TO-30 in reply to Bud Vance, 04-24-2005 13:43:59  
I'm slowly working on a similar project. First you need a governor. This can be from some other industrial equipment, such as a Versatile Swather motor. Then you'll need to adapt the rear of the engine to the tractor bell-housing. The starter location could be a problem. Then the clutch plate will have to fit the tractor spline. (Anything you want can be bought from the re-builders) YOu also need a pilot bearing that fits the tractor shaft and the engine flywheel. The fore-and-aft location has to be just right for this stuff. You have to make sure your steering and radius rods don't bump into an oil filter or such. And you will probably need some rigged-up fuel tank.
And finally, I don't think you want to bother with computers and fuel injection. So maybe that rules out your engine?
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For use in a tractor, you'd need a long-stroke engine for torque. But you may be able to do something with a special camshaft grind. The problem with Fergusons is that they have very short engines. Otherwise, you could borrow engines from other tractors. The TEA 20 actually adapted a car engine and used braces under it to stiffen it up. Using a V6 gives you a short enough engine. You could also use a 3 cyl Perkins engine, which is pretty common. I'm using a relatively small diesel engine. It's probably got a strong enough block, but I'm putting a subframe in it anyway, because there's no place to bolt the front axle support and radiator support. With a diesel, you have a built-in governor. Look for such engines used in forklifts, or check out the Isusu industrial 3 cylinder engines.

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Jim in OH

04-25-2005 09:09:47




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 Re: Chevy v6 in TO-30 in reply to Bud Vance, 04-24-2005 13:43:59  
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Putting something "exotic" in a Fergie will be essentially no different than in an 8N. However, you will be making most of the adapters, front and rear, where you might find some help ("Funk" kits) for Fords either as salvage or something that you could copy. This is not like dropping a V6 or a V8 into a Pinto or a Nova. In this tractor (like many others), the engine is a MAJOR structural element. From the pictures at JMSmith's Site (Link below) you can see that, if the block is not strong enough, there are structural members added below or beside the engine. And the drive train strength limitations previously discussed are not so much on engine "power" but on engine "torque". [Note:You can get "power" by running higher engine rpms and that doesn't break anything, you just go faster.] I am not sure what the Fergie engine torque spec is, but based on 28 Hp at 2000 rpm, the calculated torque would be about 75 ft-lb. Granted, the Fergie will probably take a factor of 2 higher torque for a limited time before you break something, but at this 150 ft-lb, the lifetime will be considerably shorter. [And keep in mind that most Fergies have already had 50 years of "normal" abuse already.] Hope this has helped.. Jim

[Picture and link credits to JMSmith)

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Jerry/MT

04-24-2005 20:02:17




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 Re: Chevy v6 in TO-30 in reply to Bud Vance, 04-24-2005 13:43:59  
Respectfully, just remember that if you do this, the tractor was designed for durability with about 28 horsepower at 2200 rpm. While there are certainly some margin in the power and torque that the transmission and rear axle can take from a durability standpoint, I doubt that you get much life out of them whith the kind of power and torque that the Chevy V-6 is capable of providing. Of course, if you're not using it for far type work..... ..

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Gene Stevens

04-24-2005 19:27:37




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 Re: Chevy v6 in TO-30 in reply to Bud Vance, 04-24-2005 13:43:59  

Do not remember where I found this...



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Gregg/Ohio

04-25-2005 21:55:21




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 Re: Chevy v6 in TO-30 in reply to Gene Stevens, 04-24-2005 19:27:37  

IE: Damaged Z129 Engine. I work in a Machine Shop,So I understand the work/effort to make a "Hybred" tractor, But It still seems to me It would be better to Fix/Repair your Z-129 Engine, Am I missing somthing here? Are Parts for these engines That Difficult to find now? Even though these Tractors are now 50 Plus years old,They are hard to beat even by todays standards (gas engines) Thanks!

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Gene Stevens

04-24-2005 19:29:36




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 Re: Chevy v6 in TO-30 in reply to Gene Stevens, 04-24-2005 19:27:37  
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Let"s try again



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