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backhoejoe

04-16-2005 19:50:12




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I posted this on the massey board, figured I'd try you fellas. Any thoughts on converting a fergie to four wheel drive. Im looking at maybe tryin this out.




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backhoe joe

04-18-2005 05:02:13




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 Re: 4x4 fergie in reply to backhoejoe, 04-16-2005 19:50:12  
Besides tractors my other hobbie is truck pulling so I have some front axles to cut down and play with. Im not to worried about matching tire speeds, I thought of using and over running PTO rachet clutch so the front would only be used when rear tires spin. I cant run the front with the PTO. I use a tiller in my wet ground (the reason for 4Xdrive)I already have rims to make duals but like the idea of 4X4. Thanks for the advice and comments.

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jab

04-17-2005 09:02:16




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 Re: 4x4 fergie in reply to backhoejoe, 04-16-2005 19:50:12  
most of the FORD conversions used a axel set up out of a DODGE power wagon.



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Robert Smith

04-17-2005 08:50:37




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 Re: 4x4 fergie in reply to backhoejoe, 04-16-2005 19:50:12  
I seen a Ford 8n with a Funk conversion and a Jeep front end for four wheel drive on one of the RFD channel Tractor shows once! So I know it could be done!
What about taking a Transfer case rigging it to run off the PTO, You could use the output for the front driveshaft to run the front end and the rear output to the rear as your pto output?
But as was mentioned matching your gear ratios is very important! You can run different gear ratios (Not TO different! )in loose soil of mud and get by with it (some times done in mud bogg racing, truck pulling),BUT if you get it on hard or solid ground and it gets a good bite! Your going to break something! and break it fast!
If you come up with something let us know this would be Very interesting! cause I'm like you! moneys a problem but have a machine and fab shop to work out of so building what I can't buy is always on my mind!

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Ray,IN

04-16-2005 21:35:26




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 Re: 4x4 fergie in reply to backhoejoe, 04-16-2005 19:50:12  
Nearly anything can be done if you throw enough money at it. It is not practical nor prudent, as a new FWD compact tractor with the same HP is around $15-$18K. FWD MF tractors in that HP are common today.



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backhoejoe

04-17-2005 05:49:09




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 Re: 4x4 fergie in reply to Ray,IN, 04-16-2005 21:35:26  
Well its like this, money is a big problem but I have lots of time and work in a metal fab shop so making parts isnt a problem. I dont really care for the newer tractors I'd rather build something of my own.



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Dell (WA)

04-19-2005 10:27:44




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 Re: 4x4 fergie in reply to backhoejoe, 04-17-2005 05:49:09  
Joe..... ....while it is stimulating mental engineering exercise to contemplate a FWD Fergie; and as John (UK) posted pictures of European conversion using WW2 Jeep frontaxle, it can be done. The practicality of it just so you can run a rototiller in muddy ground just doesn't compute. Besides, unless you have the rare and fragle "Howard" aux-tranny, the Fergie groundspeed is TOO-FAST for rototilling. Iff'n you just gotta rototill in muddy ground, GO RENT a rototilling tractor. $100/day (cheap) While Fergies are great tractors, they're just NOT the tractor for every job (even with FWD)..... ...respectfully, Dell

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Backhoejoe

04-20-2005 10:32:41




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 Re: 4x4 fergie in reply to Dell (WA), 04-19-2005 10:27:44  
I didnt think of the single range tranny in my TO. Im so use to running my dads MF35, but that just means I gotta find a junker to rob parts from. I guess to the average fella wouldnt understand my thinking. I own 30 acres that i plant corn for the dear and use my mf 65 and 85 to do most of the work. I grew up on a farm and my brain runs crazy with ideas for building stuff. Once i get an idea I cant get it out of my head until I fail. Its my adiction,

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John(UK)

04-21-2005 11:52:43




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 Re: 4x4 fergie in reply to Backhoejoe, 04-20-2005 10:32:41  
You need a reduction gearbox for your tractor, probably a Sherman where you are if you can find one. That will give you all the low range gears (make sure you do get the reduction one)



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backhoejoe

04-22-2005 10:12:01




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 Re: 4x4 fergie in reply to John(UK), 04-21-2005 11:52:43  
I was thinking of making something to do this. I have one of my fergies split now and with some beer and a tape measure can figure out something that might work.Does any one have a picture of a sherman stepdown? This would help in trying to engineering mounts.



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Jim W

04-17-2005 07:01:18




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 Re: 4x4 fergie in reply to backhoejoe, 04-17-2005 05:49:09  
Such things have been done. I subscribe to Friends of Ferguson Heritage magazine from the UK and there was an article in there perhaps a couple of years ago about these conversions. IIRC the pto was used, somehow a couple of right angles, a driveshaft forward from there, then a differential from a Jeep I think at the front....well now I will probably go and look it up sometime today if someone else doesn"t answer here, got my curiosity up again.
Lots of work, no matter how you slice it. You would have to get the front wheels travelling at the same speed as the rear, by factoring in the difference in engine vs. pto speed, the differential ratio, and the different diameters of the front vs. rear wheels.
Jim

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John(UK)

04-17-2005 12:22:55




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 Re: 4x4 fergie in reply to Jim W, 04-17-2005 07:01:18  
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This is one version that was done here in UK. It used a Jeep front axle and some drive from the pto and some have a drive that fits between the gearbox and rear axle housing



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John(UK)

04-17-2005 12:22:44




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 Re: 4x4 fergie in reply to Jim W, 04-17-2005 07:01:18  
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This is one version that was done here in UK. It used a Jeep front axle and some drive from the pto and some have a drive that fits between the gearbox and rear axle housing



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John(UK)

04-17-2005 13:06:23




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 Re: 4x4 fergie in reply to John(UK), 04-17-2005 12:22:44  
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This tractor has a gas engine which is unusual for a 4wd this one is from Germany, it would be considered underpowered in the UK. The axle drive on this one looks as though it is taken from the round inspection cover where the PTO lever is.



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Dell (WA)

04-19-2005 10:03:48




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 Re: 4x4 fergie in reply to John(UK), 04-17-2005 13:06:23  
John..... ....I remember a picture of a smiling Jimmy Clark (Formula-1 racecar driver extraordinare) poised/driving a 4xFergie on his highlands sheepfarm. The picture subtitle said the very visable frontaxle pumpkin was from a WW2 Jeep. I have heard conversions were also made in France and Italy and is how Lamborginnie (sp) got his start. Both Ferrari and Lambo are BIG tractor mfg companys. Their sportscars are for prestige and braggin' rights..... ...Dell

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John(UK)

04-19-2005 15:10:14




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 Re: 4x4 fergie in reply to Dell (WA), 04-19-2005 10:03:48  
Yes that is true, the one Jim Clarke would have would be made by a company called Reekie in Scotland, they made a lot of conversions of this tractor, including a Vineyard version, this was before Ferguson started making one. I have just been looking at another one in France and that was made by Selene of Italy. again with a WW2 Jeep axle



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