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Clutch Pedal Sticking..An Oil Problem??

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John Harvey

03-16-2005 08:46:53




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What's the best way to flush out the tranny/hydro on a TO-20. I'm not sure the previous owner put GL1 in so I want to change it just for safety sake and need to get all of the old out.

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John




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Jeff-oh

03-17-2005 05:35:11




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 Trans oil cleaning procedure in reply to John Harvey, 03-16-2005 08:46:53  
This is the procedure I used to clean my transmission oil housing. You will need to wash out the old fluid. Any remaining fluid will contaminate the new fluid. If you have time in the evenings start to drain the tractor now. She will drip for hours/days.

You should also be prepared to deal with the gallons of fluids you the will gush out of the tractor. Have containers ready to pour the old oil in to take to your auto parts store for recycling.

Do your lift arms drop/leak down quickly? If so prior to draining the fluid pull the right and left side inspection plates. Lift an implement and look to see where the fluid is leaking out of the system as the lift lowers. Then you can repair/replace the required parts without the fluid in the way.

I would also recommend the you replace the PTO seal and O-ring seal if needed at this time and replace the inspection plate gaskets. The inspection plate gaskets are fairly easy to cut yourself if you need to.

Open the drains one at a time to handle the gush of fluid. Once you have gone through all of them open them all up again with a pan under each and let it drip at least over night. Make sure your lift control is in the down position to drain the piston.

You should plan on "washing/Flushing" out the inside. Particularly if you have water in the oil... i.e. if brown/milky. To wash the inside use either kerosene or diesel. I put mine in a garden sprayer and sprayed the insides down. I put the garden sprayer nozzle everywhere I can, up the PTO shaft opening, if you pulled it. Through the Filler hole, through the inspection ports, through each drain plug. I catch the diesel in clean oil pans let it settle then decant the "clean" fluid off the sludge and spray again, and again. Go have a beer and let it drain. I then wipe out the bottom with clean paper towels to get the crud out. (do not use cheap towels here you do not want them falling apart). If your fluid had water in it, the "Milky" oil will continue to appear for a while, I just came back and wiped it out again, and again util gone.

This is a good time to do other maintenance. Grease the fittings, Pull the air filter and clean it.

Be sure to do the diesel flush with good ventilation. The fumes are powerful.

Button her back up with your new seals and fill. Toward the end fill slowly... i.e. quart or 1/2 liter per 5 to 10 minutes. To let it all even out in the sumps. The first time I changed the oil I did not do this and I over filled by a gallon and a half. And because I did not wash out the back that gallon and a half was now contaminated and useless.

You will be glad you did this when it is done.

Jeff

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John Harvey

03-17-2005 06:32:35




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 Re: Trans oil cleaning procedure in reply to Jeff-oh, 03-17-2005 05:35:11  
Jeff and John thanks for the input and directions. This will be next weekends project. Jeff the lift drops slowly over a span of a couple of three hours is this normal? My main concern is that the PO did not put the right oil in when it was changed and this might be the reason the clutch pedal is sticking in the down position and it is rather hard to shift. I bought the tractor last year but due to other events I have not been able to really use it. Thanks
John

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John (UK)

03-17-2005 08:34:31




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 Re: Trans oil cleaning procedure in reply to John Harvey, 03-17-2005 06:32:35  
If the pedal is sticking down it will probably be the cross-shaft sticking in the bushes in the clutch housing, this means the shaft having to come out to clean it up or at least part way out. You don't say what tractor you have but if it is a TO if you remove the steering box you may be able to get at the carrier for the thrust bearing on the clutch and remove the securing bolts through the shaft, then remove the shaft sideways out of the housing or enough to clean it up where it goes through the bearing. Failing that you will have to take the engine out to do it.If it is a TE you need to take the engine out. Either way it's a pain to do.

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Jeff-oh

03-17-2005 06:53:00




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 Re: Trans oil cleaning procedure in reply to John Harvey, 03-17-2005 06:32:35  
John, 1st. leaking down after more than 10 min. is great and normal... you do not have any leaks in the hydro. piston/pump to be concerned about.

I would doubt that the oil in the transmission case is the cause of the clutch pedal sticking and shifting problems. The clutch plate is not in the same area as the oil. You probally have either some binding or other problem in the linkage. With a TO- you can remove the shift cover plate and take a look as to what is going on in there.

If you are going to change the oil neat weekend, I would open the drains now and let her drip thil then. There is a lot of oil in there and it takes a while to drain out.

Jeff

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John Harvey

03-17-2005 09:22:45




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 Re: Trans oil cleaning procedure in reply to Jeff-oh, 03-17-2005 06:53:00  
Thanks Jeff

John



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John (UK)

03-16-2005 11:38:58




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 Re: Clutch Pedal Sticking..An Oil Problem?? in reply to John Harvey, 03-16-2005 08:46:53  
If you are going to use a flushing oil or similar you need to run the tractor and get the oil as hot as possible WITHOUT running the PTO and Hydraulic Pump or you will be sucking all the crud out of the transmission housing through your Pump and valves and it will definitely not do them any good at all.



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