Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Harry Ferguson Tractors Discussion Forum
:

Continuing PTO/Hitch Woes

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
North Bay, Cana

01-26-2005 07:27:26




Report to Moderator

I hope you're not getting tired of seeing my PTO/3 Point Hitch misery on this forum every 2nd week, but some of my concerns have been addressed, a couple were ignored. Maybe I should simplify my messages so there's not so much detail & make the issues easier to identify. I'll try.

The 2 problems I'm going to describe have occurred at least twice since I had the PTO shaft & crown replaced. I don't remember them happening before.

1. My PTO lever (behind my left heel) has locked up again and won't move. This happened shortly after the major repair, the repair guy made a house call and got it working and engaging better than ever. Both times, it has been after about an hour or so of snow removal duty in which the lever was engaged/disengaged several times. I spoke withthe repair guy yesterday & he said when he fixed it before, he just loosened the bolts on the cover plate and it worked. He said if it continues, "something inside might be bent".

2. Just before the lever locked up the other day, I fired up the tractor, warmed it up for a bit, then removed the snowblower & mounted my blade on the 3 point hitch. After about an hour of blading the driveway & path to the horse barn, I had created snowbanks that I then wanted to remove with the blower. I made sure the PTO was disengaged and the 3PH lever was in the "fully down" position. Even with those precautions, when I removed the blade, the hitch went up on it's own. This has happened a couple of times before and as I said previously, I tried so many things to get it back down that when it did go back down, I don't know which tactic worked. Anyways, when I went to engage the PTO and try to lower the hitch, the lever was locked. The repair guy said the pump has to be working for the hitch to go up. Can the pump work when the PTO is not turning?

I don't think the 2 are related because the last time the lever locked, I hadn't removed the blower from the hitch and the previous times I had problems with the hitch, there were no problems with the lever.

Other than that, the '52 TEA is in great running condition. When it's plugged in, it starts right away regardless of the temperature. I really want to keep it that way but I'm currently not in a position to spend much $ on it (Christmas, previous repair etc.). Can you guys help me?

So this is my attempt at a short, simple message. I'll try harder next time.

Thanks in advance

Gary

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
ZANE

01-29-2005 07:29:26




Report to Moderator
 Re: Continuing PTO/Hitch Woes in reply to North Bay, Canada, 01-26-2005 07:27:26  
Sounds to me like you may have some water in your drive train oil. This can cause all your symptoms.

Zane

See the link below too for position control for that tractor.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
John (UK)

01-27-2005 12:04:29




Report to Moderator
 Re: Continuing PTO/Hitch Woes in reply to North Bay, Canada, 01-26-2005 07:27:26  
Try moving the control fork inside the round inspection cover, see if it will move backwards and forwards and control the hydraulics then. it could be just a stuck Control Valve or the Control Valve has become detached from the fork at the bottom. If you need info sheet on this email me at fergusontractors at tiscali.co.uk
DONT PUT YOUR HAND IN THE OIL WHEN THE ENGINE IS RUNNING The PTO lever problem sounds like its damaged the sliding dog clutch OR your PTO shaft is slightly twisted stopping the dog from sliding easily.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
gshadel

01-27-2005 10:49:36




Report to Moderator
 Re: Continuing PTO/Hitch Woes in reply to North Bay, Canada, 01-26-2005 07:27:26  
Ya, does sound like you have two problems there North Bay. Maybe 3 problems... if you count your mechanic as one of the problems!!! Sounds like you need to pull the PTO shaft and check the shift rod and fork, and the PTO clutch sleeve thing (forget the official name for it) ,and the detent ball/spring. Something is hanging up in there to prevent you from shifting your PTO. Nope, the PTO pump can't run if the PTO doesn't turn.
See the other post right next to yours on your lift arms raising when they are not suppose to raise. Might have stirred-up some crud when your oil was changed with the PTO, that is now clogging-up your hydraulic valves. Might need to drain the oil again, clean'er out real good, then add new oil. Sounds like you must live near the Arctic circle with the temps I see you posting BRRRR... might want to consider switching to a thinner oil for the Winter. I run GL-1 in mine here in Ohio, but my cut-off is about zero. Below that, I let the snow pile-up until it warms up a little. I plowed snow last weekend at 10 degrees, the hydraulics were slow for a little while until they warmed up a little.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Jerry/MT

01-26-2005 19:39:15




Report to Moderator
 Re: Continuing PTO/Hitch Woes in reply to North Bay, Canada, 01-26-2005 07:27:26  
Sounds like you have two problems. One with the PTO/Pump engagement lever and one with the 3 pt hitch control. Can't help you with the former but it seems to be in the mechanism. With regard to the later, is the friction disc on the lever worn? If it is, it maybe allowing the contol lever to move to the raise position, full back. Mine is worn and this happens to me on occaision. I have the replacement cork friction disc, I just haven't installed it yet.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
danct

01-26-2005 08:52:13




Report to Moderator
 Re: Continuing PTO/Hitch Woes in reply to North Bay, Canada, 01-26-2005 07:27:26  
Gary
i am going from memory here ,but i had a problem like the sticking pto assembly and i had to replace the sliding collar in the front of the shaft in the transmission area ,,i seem to remember a detent ball bearing in the collar being the culprit ,maybe someone else can add more input on this
good luck Danny



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy