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FE-35 Running Rough...

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Mike (Burford,

05-11-2004 18:34:12




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Hello all,

I am a newbie to tractors and diesel motors in general. I have a '59 FE-35 with the Standard 23C engine that has been running well all winter (just got it in late Nvember). Today, after rough cutting with a PTO driven rotary cutter, for about 1.5 hours, I idled down the engine from about 1600 rpm (I think the corresponding engine speed for PTO operation)to disengage the PTO when the engine stalled. A few minutes prior to stopping, the engine seemed rougher than normal and was starting to blow a whitish grey smoke. No attempts to re-start would work until things cooled down for a couple of hours. When it did re-start, it was very hard starting, requiring a gentle hand on the throttle to keep it from stalling out again, while slowly giving more fuel to get the RPMs up. It was still smoking the grey white stuff, and feeling rough. The exhaust note was not quite as 'mellow' as usual either.

I checked all the fluid levels and conditions, all seems normal and the block was not overly hot to the touch. Could this be an injector issue being plugged up?

Secondary question, after getting the tractor, I noticed the Tractor-Meter was not reading at all. Replaced the gear drive and the cable, ended up having to disassemble the meter and un-seize it as well. Now everything turns, but the tractor meter only reads about 1/2 of the what the rev's actually are. The MF dealer insists I have the correct parts, and they do seem to match up to what was there originally. Whether they were the correct ones to begin with? I don't know. Has anyone else seen anything like this?

Any insights to the deisel issue in particular would be greatly appreciated!

Wonderful site, and I am learning lots. Thanks in advance,

Mike

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Mike (Again)

05-11-2004 19:29:08




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 Re: FE-35 Running Rough... in reply to Mike (Burford, ON), 05-11-2004 18:34:12  
Sorry about the length of the post...When trying to get help, best to tell it like it is! Other tidbit of information, just tried starting it again, even with the throttle wide open, it acts as though starved of fuel...will not pick up RPMs. If I use the thermo start for a good few seconds (30-60 of them) it will fire up and RPMs increase, but acts like a gas engine when flooded, kind of hesitant but slowly comes up to speed.

Thanks again,

Mike

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James, UK

05-12-2004 04:26:56




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 Re: Re: FE-35 Running Rough... in reply to Mike (Again), 05-11-2004 19:29:08  
I'm no expert on diesels, but as an ex-Landrover Series 2a diesel owner I know some of their habits!

White smoke is (usually) a timing problem if the smoke smells strongly of unburnt diesel - that or you have a problem with water getting into the head via a head gasket leak. Timing would help explain the starting difficulties and running rough.

Black smoke is usually injectors, blue is oil getting where it shouldn't. Dreadful knocking noises and a refusal to stop when you pull the Stop button is time to stall it quick as you are running on engine oil, and it is starting to run away with you (very bad news indeed).

I do not know if the 23C has a timing chain, or if it is gear-driven, but if it is a chain, if the chain is loose (wear) then it may have jumped a tooth or two - so you need to investigate some more to see what you can find.

HTH

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