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Chains vs Liquid in tires?

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Dano

02-06-2004 19:05:24




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We just got 8 inches of snow here in the Kansascity, Mo. area yesterday and I was trying my TO-30 out in the snow for the first time. I have a couple of questions to throw out to you veteran fergie owners. What is the best way to go for traction while blading, weight in the tires or chains? It seems like I was doing a lot of spinning in my tracks. Also, What is a good size blade for the T-O and what can I expect to pay for a good used one? Should I add a lead substitute to the gas? Thanks for the help.
Dano

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John of Ontario

02-08-2004 12:20:14




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 Re: Chains vs Liquid in tires? in reply to Dano, 02-06-2004 19:05:24  
I have a 20-85 that I use for snowplowing.The rear tires are new and loaded with no chains.So far no problem.My drive way is mostly flat.Someday maybe I'll get some chains,but right now I don't think I need any.My blade is broken right now,so I had to borrow my father inlaws,it works great.Its made by Ryino,you can off set it to one side or the other which makes it great for winging back snow banks.With my old blade this was hard to do,my driveway would be pretty narrow by the end of winter.My next blade will definately be one you can offset.By the way we have about two feet of snow here.

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Jim W

02-07-2004 22:13:11




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 Re: Chains vs Liquid in tires? in reply to Dano, 02-06-2004 19:05:24  
I have a blower rather than a blade on my 20-85,00 the rear tires are loaded, and I have about 70% tread. Even so, I will spin in the snow unless I put chains on.
This year I changed from my regular chains to a set of Trygg chains and the difference is amazing. My lawn may be fairly chewed up in the spring; we'll see, but I don't want to go back to regular chains.
The Trygg chains were quite hard to put on though, and they are still not quite staying put. Maybe I haven't got the hang of it. (I thought I was pretty clever installing the chains and then inflating the tires the last bit; the chains sure seemed tight....)
Jim
PS I wouldn't worry about the gas.

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Bill , Calif

02-07-2004 16:15:21




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 Re: Chains vs Liquid in tires? in reply to Dano, 02-06-2004 19:05:24  
In all the discussion so far I have seen no mention of weights. I recently bought a TE 20 that had four wheel weights on it. (Since removed) I was told they were for traction in loose dirt. Would these be of equal value in snow? Fronts weigh well over 100# and the rears nust be 300# each.



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RZ(Wa)

02-07-2004 15:30:20




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 Re: Chains vs Liquid in tires? in reply to Dano, 02-06-2004 19:05:24  
I wouldn't pay any more than $200 for a good well built 5ft mechanical back blade, too many of them around ($100 max for one that is decent and usable), then again, I'm never in a hurry to buy much of anything. As for the tires and chains, I usually run my MF 175 with loaded tires and a 7ft back blade. Occasionally, I'll chain up if there is a lot of ice on the road or driveway. Without chains and pulling or pushing heavy wet snow the wheels will break loose somewhat, but no big deal to me. I tend to see the use of chains akin to using a 4x4 truck -- good for getting out of a predicament or avoiding one if I PAY ATTENTION. And if I don't, they're great for a lot of work if I do get stuck (and I ain't into work caused by foolishness). I do have a couple of neighbors who are interesting to watch move snow. Instead of raising the blade a little, they will go and go until so much snow is built up on the blade and under the tractor all the tractor will do is spin the tires in both directions (and no, I don't let either of those guys use the crawler, grousers are not much fun to replace).
I picked up and rebuilt a MF 35 a few years back and I'll use it to move snow whenever it starts to feel unwanted. The tires are neither loaded nor near as wide as what is on the 175 and it does okay without chains (a little slower and smaller bites perhaps, but what the heck, I enjoy it).
Okay , I haven't answered your question -- I would use chains over loading the tires, leaving them on for the remainder of the snow season. Filling the tires is pricey, corrosive and during the warmer months when field/pasture is wet that greater weight can make for some deep ugly ruts and scars that will need to be repaired. --- I recall a similiar question has been asked here before. I'm not sure how far back the archives go but you might want to look back a couple of years. A couple of fellows had much better explanations and reasons for them than I have just now. Well, that's a little more than the 2 cents I intended so, Good Luck.

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NCtim

02-07-2004 08:51:59




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 Re: Chains vs Liquid in tires? in reply to Dano, 02-06-2004 19:05:24  
In the TEA-20 I have fluid, she runs a 6' blade and a loader on the front. The TO-30 has no fluid and new tires and can't pull a wagon up a hill. I'm not sure what people use these things for if you don't have any weight in the tires. I can't even scrape dry gravel in the drive without spinning the wheels of the TO. I'm getting fluid in the spring, otherwise the TO is useless for me.

I don't use lead. If you take care of the engine, making sure it doesn't run hot, the valves rotate on their seats, and correct valve lash you're okay. These things don't run at a high rpm so valve seat wear is not as much an issue on these engines.

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James in MO

02-07-2004 04:23:48




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 Re: Chains vs Liquid in tires? in reply to Dano, 02-06-2004 19:05:24  
I live about 70 miles SE of you and I have the same problem. I have an MF-65 with no fluid or chains and it is useless on anything other than a good dry snow. I recently bought a D-17 with a loader and fluid in the tires I headed out in this storm with grand illusions of moving some snow but as you probably know this was a wet snow and the packed driveways were a problem getting traction. I am now in the market for a set of chains, so I guess what I am saying is before you put fluid in the tires which is corrosive and will run about 80-100 dollars a tire (down here anyway was what it was going to be for my MF65) you can probably pick up a set of chains considerably cheaper and be better off as far as a blade you can pick up a light weight one brand new for about 250 dollars but all it will do is move snow or a slick off a gravel driveway good heavy ones will run upwards of 4-500 dollars unless noone is paying attention at a sale. I personally like my 6 footer it covers the width of the rear tires. I hope this helps

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Jackson Knight

02-07-2004 01:50:02




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 Re: Chains vs Liquid in tires? in reply to Dano, 02-06-2004 19:05:24  
I have a 53 fergie with loaded tires works much better then unloaded tires. I just put on my chains last weekend.Here in Mi i have 2 foot of snow so if I get off in it chains help me get out.I do not use lead additive. You will not harm your engine with out the additive. You have to be running the engine wide open day in day out plowing. Before you would have any problems with valves.



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Jerry/MT

02-06-2004 21:12:33




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 Re: Chains vs Liquid in tires? in reply to Dano, 02-06-2004 19:05:24  
Dano,
It depends on the conditions you have to contend with. We get a lot of icy conditions in our neck of the woods and have to use both fluid and chains to plow the snow. When the coeficient of friction gets close to zero, increased weight is of little help. If you have fairly dry snow and no ice you can probably get by with fluid in the tires.Hope this helps.



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John, IN

02-06-2004 19:53:41




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 Re: Chains vs Liquid in tires? in reply to Dano, 02-06-2004 19:05:24  
I have a 20, run fluid in my tires, works fine for me. You leave fluid in year round, chains off in spring. I have a 5" blade and use no lead gas.



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toolman

02-06-2004 21:47:51




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 Re: Re: Chains vs Liquid in tires? in reply to John, IN, 02-06-2004 19:53:41  
i have a tea 20-85 and i run fluid and heavy chains, i have a 7 ft.blackblade and a loader, i never use any lead additive .



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