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Changing hydraulic/transmission oil and Starter sw

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Richard Wegner

11-23-2003 20:33:53




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Hi,

I drained out all the hydraulic/transmission oil from the 3 drain plugs (transmission, hydraulics, and rear diff) on my TEA 20 over the weekend, because I could tell that water had gotten into the oil, probably from sitting outside over the years. The oil was a very odd yellow in colour, very similar to the colour of egg yolk. I was wondering if anyone knows what this oil might have been originally.

I am changing it over to Duratran XL sold by Petro-Canada, because I want to use the tractor in the winter to do some snowblowing. I have a simple question as I do not yet have a Service Manual. Are all 3 - transmission, hydraulics, and rear diff - filled from the one location which is the large plug on the top of the transmission cover, next to the gearshift? I just wanted to make sure that I have not overlooked another filler plug.

I also have a question about the starter switch. Should the starter switch have some sort of interlock that prevents it from engaging once the engine is running? A few times I have inadvertently engaged the starter when moving from Reverse back to 1st?

Thanks,
Richard

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Richard Wegner

11-25-2003 06:38:58




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 Re: Changing hydraulic/transmission oil and Starte in reply to Richard Wegner, 11-23-2003 20:33:53  
Hi,

Thanks to John, Paul, Jim and Mr Chapp for responding to my questions concerning hydraulic/transmission oil and the starter switch.

The reason that I have chosen to go with the Duratran is that I want to use the tractor in the winter so I will let you know if I have any problems. I do have a problem though and was wondering if anyone on this forum is also using Duratran as I find I am about 2 litres short. I purchased the 20 litre pail from Petro Canada and they say it is not available in smaller containers. See my post titled "Anyone using Duratran"

Thanks,
Richard

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john(UK)

11-24-2003 13:35:07




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 Re: Changing hydraulic/transmission oil and Starte in reply to Richard Wegner, 11-23-2003 20:33:53  
From empty it will take 24 US quarts of straight mineral oil (not detergent type) of 90 weight oil Above 50F or 80 weight below 50F. As has been said it will take a while to level out, but that is the quantity it takes, you can safely pour it all in if its empty to start with.STRAIGHT MINERAL OIL IS THE ONLY OIL RECOMMENDED FOR THIS TRANSMISSION/HYDRAULICS There is no interlock to stop you catching the starter coming out of reverse, just dont be in such a hurry and it will be ok.

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Paul in ms

11-24-2003 04:00:32




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 Re: Changing hydraulic/transmission oil and Starte in reply to Richard Wegner, 11-23-2003 20:33:53  
Just the one fill hole by the shifter. It will take six gallons of fluid. The only interlock is your right hand.



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Jim W

11-24-2003 04:59:38




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 Re: Re: Changing hydraulic/transmission oil and St in reply to Paul in ms, 11-24-2003 04:00:32  
Richard,
Note he means six US gallons; six Canadian gallons won't fit.
Also be aware that the hole between the transmission and the area with the hydraulic pump is quite small so it takes a while for the oil to move through. I would suggest pouring in 20 litres and then letting it sit before topping up. I think mine took 22 litres altogether.
Regards,
Jim W.
PS I had the same egg-yolk looking stuff come out of mine. I think it was either water that hadn't separated from the oil yet, or the previous owner had put in gear oil (it was very thick).

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Mr Chapp

11-24-2003 15:53:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Changing hydraulic/transmission oil an in reply to Jim W, 11-24-2003 04:59:38  
The chnge in color is due to moisture collected with climate and humidity change. No need for alarm. I once thought my Triumph sports car had a head gasket leak, but no... just condensation.



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Bill Boegemann

11-29-2003 19:52:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Changing hydraulic/transmission oi in reply to Mr Chapp, 11-24-2003 15:53:19  
The extent to which the oil is contaminated will determin the effect it has on your hydraulics. The water and oil emulsion picks up and holds air and that will cushion the hydraulics. I have seen it bad enough that impliments could not be lifted after a period of time in operation.



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Mr Chapp

12-01-2003 18:33:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Changing hydraulic/transmissio in reply to Bill Boegemann, 11-29-2003 19:52:13  
Yes, Bill I agree, just left that part out since he was canging fluid. Did you ever race in scca? Only other person I knew with that name was a sports car racer / designer. Since a lot of research, I find that mineral oil is still the oil of choice. The answer I get from my suppliers is esentially "if it works, don't fix it."



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Bill Boegemann

01-13-2004 10:32:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Changing hydraulic/transmi in reply to Mr Chapp, 12-01-2003 18:33:54  
Mr. Chapp So sorry that I missed your reply in Nov. No I did not race as you asked. I was born and raised In Ohio an have not found another Boegemann outside of close relatives in my 73 years.



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