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Answer to most lift problems

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TO35

11-05-2003 16:59:08




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I've noticed quite a few post about lift problems and searched for this page that has most of the answers you will need in trouble shooting your massey 3pt.....

hope this helps
best wishes
TO




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danct

11-06-2003 09:14:41




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 Re: Answer to most lift problems in reply to TO35, 11-05-2003 16:59:08  
to-35
Thanks for taking the time to put all this info where we can get it with one click,currently i am reading a book called Harry Ferguson by Colin Fraser and it goes back to where it all started ,it is a good book for all Ferguson lovers
Thanks again
Danny



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Ray,IN

11-05-2003 18:24:06




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 Re: Answer to most lift problems in reply to TO35, 11-05-2003 16:59:08  
That's a decent site for the H. Ferguson hydraulics system repair even without mentioning replacing the cylinder ram rings. It seems to apply to the TE model tractors rather than the TO models. One error is the direction to use engine oil in the hydraulics/diff/transmission common reservior. The TO series owners manual specificly directs the oil to be 80/90 wt. straight mineral oil. As related to me by a former Harry Ferguson mechanic and dealer, the detergents in other than GL-1 type oil will react with and etch the brass and bronze bushings in the moving parts. I'm sure the author means well, however, advising contrary to the owners manual could lead to a lawsuit if the advise causes disaster. That's why the disclaimer appeared here some time ago, to protect the website.

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TO24424

11-07-2003 18:01:46




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 Re: Re: Answer to most lift problems in reply to Ray,IN, 11-05-2003 18:24:06  
In 1949 mineral oils were the thing. R40 Castrol was recomended for race cars. Today, we know much more, and are more aware of the properties of lubricants. I would never run an oil as archaic as bean oil in my race car in the 21st century. Do some research....Please dont trust what I say!!!



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TO35

11-06-2003 02:37:38




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 Re: Re: Answer to most lift problems in reply to Ray,IN, 11-05-2003 18:24:06  
You Are correct Ray...I just glanced over the site and missed the oil part which gets me to wondering if mineral oil is even avaible across the pond. I think I'll email the site and ask..

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TO



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john(UK)

11-09-2003 07:30:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Answer to most lift problems in reply to TO35, 11-06-2003 02:37:38  
Straight Mineral oil is available over here. When multi-grade oils came out many years ago the TE20 was still in production and it was suggested at that time that they could be used in the TE tractors, the only drawback is that with multi-grade oils and their detergent properties it keeps all the foreign matter in suspenion in the oil and it will pass through the pump causing premature wear as the system has no filter fitted. Using Straight mineral oil allows a sludge to form that traps most of the foreign matter, well enough to allow for correct oil changes to take place. The thing about the chemicals in the oil attacking the metals in the bearings is odd because you can use that type of oil in the later tractors without any problem and I do know of quite a few that did use that oil in the TE20 without any problems whatsoever.Could it be a bit of salesmans talk? We never had a Service Bulletin from Banner Lane to say that we shouldnt

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phil fenner

11-06-2003 11:32:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Answer to most lift problems in reply to TO35, 11-06-2003 02:37:38  
As Ray described, the article is pretty good for the TE series and does not cover the TO series which has some differences that should be noted. I highly recommend the article on "Trouble Shooting Ferguson Hydraulic Systems" in the March 2003 issue of the Ferguson Furrows Newsletter, the voice of the North American Ferguson Enthusiasts, now about 400 members strong. This article and membership info can be obtained by contacting John Iwen at 1811 Parkway Drive in Bettondorf, IA 52722. Only $2 for the issue and $10 to join and get 5 issues per yr full of good stuff on Ferguson tractors made or imported to North America. I urge anyone to join that is truly an enthusiast or needs info on the tractor.
This particular article was written by Del Genter a well known expert in Ferguson tractors of North America and Paul Nelson, Ferguson restorer/expert and editor of the newsletter.

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