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Another early H question

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SKK -Big Red Fa

12-10-2006 15:09:10




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In the early 1940 H (14,6xx) history, was single fuel an option, I.e. could you get just a gasoline or single tank version? If you could, was the unit shipped with the hood for a dual fuel anyway [two holes]?

I think this beast has the original hood, but no sign of it ever having a gasoline starting tank other than hole in the hood. When did hoods with just one fuel tank hole begin shipping?

Just another enigma.

SKK - Big Red Fan

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gc ks

12-11-2006 06:54:38




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 Re: Another early H question in reply to SKK -Big Red Fan, 12-10-2006 15:09:10  
Along this line of thinking. Is there a difference in the head on the early all fuel engines than the gas engine.



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CNKS

12-11-2006 09:25:11




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 Re: Another early H question in reply to gc ks, 12-11-2006 06:54:38  
Yes, there are separate gas, distillate, and kerosene heads -- IH did not make an "all fuel" engine, although that term is in common use. Obviously they will all run on gas, and I imagine that a kerosene engine will run on distillate and vice versa. But IH designed the engines to run best on the individual fuels for which they were designed.



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SKK

12-10-2006 21:18:50




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 Re: Another early H question in reply to SKK -Big Red Fan, 12-10-2006 15:09:10  
Thx for the answers. Does anyone know the answer to the hood question. Could it have come as a single tank, but had the hood with two holes in it?

The motor is not an issue at current as it has a 300u engine in it--but if I restore it back to original--am looking for the right info.

skk



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sammy the RED

12-11-2006 06:57:13




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 Re: Another early H question in reply to SKK, 12-10-2006 21:18:50  
While anything is possiable, it is a matter of common sense that:

1) If it came as a single tank, for gasoline,why would they put a another hole in the hood to let the elements in ?

2) The hood is there to protect components.

3) They would have had to make some kind of cover for the hole, thus increaseing manufacturing cost.

4) If it was made for dual fuel, it only came with ONE hole for the small starting tank.

5) If it was made for just gasoline fuel, there were NO holes for the gas tank.


So, to answer your question: "Could it have come as a single tank, but had the hood with two holes in it?"

NO.

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CNKS

12-10-2006 16:43:05




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 Re: Another early H question in reply to SKK -Big Red Fan, 12-10-2006 15:09:10  
The first gas only H was 20891. The kero/dist manifolds were different, the dist/kero has a different shape and an adjustable lever or valve on it. The carb should have a petcock on it, but I have seen dist carbs on X1 (gas only tractors). The brackets, etc for the starting tank could have been removed. All this really doesn't matter because your serial number indicates that it was kerosene or distillate, and if it was gas it should have the X1 after the serial.

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Harold H

12-10-2006 16:43:11




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 Re: Another early H question in reply to SKK -Big Red Fan, 12-10-2006 15:09:10  
From the start, the H was available; gasoline (one tank), kerosene (two tanks), or distillate (two tanks).

Harold H



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CNKS

12-10-2006 16:46:31




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 Re: Another early H question in reply to Harold H, 12-10-2006 16:43:11  
The 20891 is in Guy Fay's data book. Thus until that time they were either kerosene or distillate. Argue with Guy, not me!!



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D Slater

12-10-2006 18:53:16




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 Re: Another early H question in reply to CNKS, 12-10-2006 16:46:31  
CNKS, I think the mix up is because IH first started using the suffix codes on H at serial # 20891 instead of that being the first gasoline H. Before that serial # they didn't use the code system.



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CNKS

12-11-2006 07:09:29




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 Re: Another early H question in reply to D Slater, 12-10-2006 18:53:16  
You may be correct, and I'm not arguing, just searching for information. To quote Guy, straight from the book he says "First high compression gasoline tractor (20891 X1) built March 29, 1940" on page 94 of his data book. As regards the NE tests, were those serial numbers ever sold?, those could have been used because IH knew they were going to sell X1 tractors, but for whatever reason did not start actual production until March 29, 1940, that does not mean that they couldn't build a couple and have them tested -- same with the catalogs --. Since Guy has actually spent a LOT of time studying the records, I tend to believe he is right, and that IH did not really start production of the gas only tractors until the date he says. Only my opinion. Some weird things have happened.

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Harold H

12-10-2006 18:21:49




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 Re: Another early H question in reply to CNKS, 12-10-2006 16:46:31  
# 20891 may be listed by Guy as the first gasoline H built, but my 1939 catalog list all three versions available. Also the Nebraska tests were also done on gasoline in 39. Farmall H Gasoline serial number FBH602 was tested Oct 5-11, 1939 test #333 at Nebraska, and Farmall H Distilate serial number FBH744 was tested November 6-11, 1939 test #334.

Harold H



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sammy the RED

12-10-2006 16:39:27




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 Re: Another early H question in reply to SKK -Big Red Fan, 12-10-2006 15:09:10  
1939.



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