Re: Unions

Posted by trucker40 on June 12, 2009 at 07:24:41 from (69.151.61.219):

In Reply to: Re: Unions posted by relaurain on June 12, 2009 at 05:59:32:

Well at least you sound like you actually worked in a union shop.In every non union shop I ever worked in top pay was under lowest pay in a union place,explain that?Yeah what you say sounds good maybe to some people,but its not true.Do good paying non union jobs exist?Yes they do.Are some non union jobs better than union ones?Sure there are.Would we have a way of life that would allow non union jobs to be so good without unions?No we wouldnt.
I agree the extortion part is bad,doesnt help unions side.I say fix the union dont throw it away.
Big business makes money union or not.The reason they go to Mexico is because they can,and actually were encouraged to by past administrations who I think of as traitors.
Should we bail out the auto industry to save the UAW?No.There may be reasons to bail out GM and Chrysler,but I think firing all of the managers and putting smarter people in charge would have done it.Nobody cares what I think though.
Unions are still necessary whether you like it or not.If we get rid of the unions then its not long before its just like China here.Anybody that ever carried a gun to defend this country is probably going to disagree with you if it means getting rid of unions so we can be like China is the thing to do,dont you think?I cant see why a working person is so rabidly against the union.Yeah they arent perfect,but they are better than not having them and can be fixed.
Business is to make money sure.Its not to provide jobs,well maybe.Now if you want to have slaves work so your business to make money,then you might start having trouble with the people.If the people dont want to buy what you sell because you have slaves make it(the way things worked when we were sane at one time)then it gets a lot better for business to treat workers right.So on one hand you think non union is better because they can negotiate pay raises?Pay that wont equal the lowest union pay and certainly less benefits?Thats not better and you know it,if you ever worked in a union place and were honest.Then on the other hand we need to be non union because a company should be able to have slaves work for them?Not in any world I want to imagine living in.I bet you wont like a world like that either.I dont think you worked in a union place or maybe were fired from one.More of what you say sounds like you might have been a company man instead of a worker.Union is about the only way to work in a factory,and thats not all that good even now.There are lots of people,even most of the union people that work for barely enough money to survive,and they work hard.Its not fair to point to the UAW and claim all unions are bad.Try a non union chicken plant compared to a union one and tell me which is better.

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