Info on a couple of 1920's tractors needed...........

MO Auctioneer · Mar 23, 2011

I have just contracted to sell a small collection of antique tractors at auction. I myself am interested in old tractors and have a decent amount of knowledge on many makes and models, but two of the tractors I am going to sell just aren't common in our area and I have little knowledge of them. One is a 1928 Hart-Parr 18-36, that was restored by the current owner several years ago and runs well, it does have some rather unusual rear wheels? What kind of value does it have? Also I have a Massey-Harris model 20-30 that he started to tear down for restoration, but then stopped. He is going to put it back together and sell it that way, it is loose. How about the value on it? I have no clue? This post is not meant to be advertising for my auction as I am not posting the details of it. I just feel to do the best job for the seller I need to have the most information possible. Thanks.

teddy52food · Mar 23, 2011

I would think the bidders will set the price. The farther you advertise, the more bidders.

Mike (WA) · Mar 23, 2011

Prices on the real antiques is very dependent on getting the word out to the guys who want them- should do national advertising in the old tractor magazines, go to websites, etc. If you get only a local crowd, they won't bring a lot.

Guys on this site will get on you if you try to sell an individual tractor on the forum, because there are photo and classified ad boards (see on left) for that- but I don't think its against the rules to publicize your auction to get the word out. Maybe link to your website. Everybody's always squawking about "off topic" stuff- at least tractor auctions are on topic!

MO Auctioneer · Mar 23, 2011

I understand and appreciate that. Still, I"d like to know how rare or common either one is and if anyone knows anything about the rear wheels on the Hart-Parr? I have searched the internet and I can"t find any pictures of any like them.

Jahaze · Mar 23, 2011

It"s always hard to estimate value at an auction, as it depends on who"e there and the economic climate in the area. I would love to have either one of those tractors and if I were bidding, I wouldn"t be able to go much over $3,000 for the Hart Parr and $2,000 for the Massey Harris. I would not expect to get them for that, in fact, there"s a decent chance the bid would quickly jump over that as soon as the bidding starts. It will depend on your crowd on sale day.

The wheels on the Hart Parr are very unique as I have never seen anything like them. I would have to guess that they were either a custom made job, or they were an option that was only used in a specific region/soil type. A little more research on them will go a long way.

rustyfarmall · Mar 23, 2011

(quoted from post at 08:26:11 03/23/11) It"s always hard to estimate value at an auction, as it depends on who"e there and the economic climate in the area. I would love to have either one of those tractors and if I were bidding, I wouldn"t be able to go much over $3,000 for the Hart Parr and $2,000 for the Massey Harris. I would not expect to get them for that, in fact, there"s a decent chance the bid would quickly jump over that as soon as the bidding starts. It will depend on your crowd on sale day.

The wheels on the Hart Parr are very unique as I have never seen anything like them. I would have to guess that they were either a custom made job, or they were an option that was only used in a specific region/soil type. A little more research on them will go a long way.

I agree that $2,000 to $3,000 for either of the tractors would most likely just be a starting point. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Hart-Parr go north of $10,000 in a heartbeat.

Jahaze · Mar 23, 2011

Wendels "Oliver Hart-Parr" book shows several different kinds of rear wheels available for the Hart Parr, but nothing like what's on that tractor. Maybe someone who knows more can jump in here, but I think they might have been custom made and not factory.

Anonymous-0 · Mar 23, 2011

I would venture to guess the H-P wheels are farmer or welding shop built since they have no support to speak of

Gerry....WI · Mar 23, 2011

Might they be adapted for work in rice fields?

KSTractor · Mar 23, 2011

The wheels on the Hart-Parr look like the " Sieve Wheels" on a Sampson they were supposed to be good in mud.I would think they would sink out of sight.

Anonymous-0 · Mar 23, 2011

I have seen pictures of the wheels on the Hart-Parr, but I can't remember what they were used for. If I remember right I was told they were a factory wheel for a certain operation in specific conditions, but my memory just can't think of it now. Perhaps somebody will know the answer.

AB · Mar 23, 2011

Email Dave Preuhs through the website
hartparrtractors.tripod.com

MO Auctioneer · Mar 23, 2011

Thanks for all the replies, keep them coming. Where would you guys recommend advertising the tractors as far as magazine publications go? I was thinking maybe Antique Power magazine, or maybe the Hart-Parr/Oliver magazine, I didn't know if there are any others I should consider?

deadeye012 · Mar 23, 2011

Here is a picture of the wheels that you have on it, but they are on a different tractor.
Hart Parr Wheels

Jahaze · Mar 23, 2011

Those aren't the same wheels. Those have round spokes, and are much more common. The flat spokes with the extensions like the ones above are unique.

Jahaze · Mar 23, 2011

Both of those publications would reach your target audience, and this web site.

MO Auctioneer · Mar 23, 2011

Well, I just looked the the ad deadline for those magazines and realized we needed to be in the issue that just came out to advertise and early May auction. So that is out. I'll have to figure out something else.

Anonymous-0 · Mar 23, 2011

I commend you for for trying to find out about these tractors for your up coming auction. Any tractor from the 1920's that is restored in running condition should bring a premium price. I too wouldn't be surprised to see the Hart-Parr sell in the tens of thousands of dollars. The wheels are a rather minor detail compared to the rest of the tractor. You could check if there are farm publications that are dropped in country mailboxes. We have them up here and they not only have large adds for all the dealers but also list up coming auctions. They're printed like a newspaper and come out every couple of weeks or every month. Usually no cost to the farmers. Regular newspapers and radio stations that cater to farmers would also be good places to advertise.

John Harmon · Mar 23, 2011

Here are several pictures of Hart Parr steel wheels and none are as the ones your tractro have. A 1927 cross motor 12-24 is first and then the two from the 1930's are different yet.The ones on the 18-27 are near but yet different. Must have been many different styles of rear wheels offered back then.Dad had a 1938 Hart Parr 18-28 which I remember being used thru the WW 2 years and after the war and his buying a Oliver 88 and a 77 the old horses went out to pasture and the old Hart Parr sat in the shed until his auction in 1980 where it was sold.J.Weeks Photos.

36F30 · Mar 23, 2011

Those are called "OPEN" style steel wheels, quite often referred to as "TEXAS" style open wheels. They are seen quite often on early Farmall regulars and can be found in lots of pics in the Wisconsin historical archives of the McCormick collection. Some had spud lugs added and even overtires. I would assume companies like F@H made them for lots of different tractors.

El Toro · Mar 23, 2011

I bet that MH will bring big money. Hal

JOCCO · Mar 23, 2011

Put them on an online auction site and set a reserve. Some of them have a live auction and bidders phone in bids auction day. I do not know all the details of this but you should as an auctioneer.

redtom · Mar 23, 2011

I bet 10K$ each.

Leroy · Mar 23, 2011

There is also "Farm Collector" that is also a good magazine. Question? Do you have any sandy ground in your area? They are simular to the Sampson seive grip wheels that were supposedly made for work in sand. Anouther question. Does the second tractor also have the name Wallis anyplace on it? If so that tractor could bring more than the running tractor.

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