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Our local Tv Station WKTV Utica NY has been a part of my life as long as I can remember. Today TW stopped broadcasting from them. The last Two weeks the TV station has been running adds and ticker tapes saying that TW would not negotiate a new contract. TW has been posting e-mails saying they will provide me with local NBC service other than WKTV. Today on clannel 2 I got WBTR out of Wilks Berre PA. What the F()k I'm in central NY. I still get CBS-6 out of Albany, but they are in a totally different weather and social economic area and pay little attention to news in our area unless it has something to do with the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown 12 miles to my south.TW seems to only care about their profit line, rather than community service. I would like to leave TW , but I have Road Runner, and if I drop that I loose my Web Mail Box idenity which I can't afford to loose at this point in time. TW has become extreamly expensive $168.oo per month for RR and TV with some movie channels, no sports options. The only satilite option available which carries WKTV and my other favorites is Dish Net. Pros. and Cons. of DN would be appreciated. It just seams that the common folk have no options left anymore that are affordable Today.
Big companies with over priced junk and no service.
 
TWC is a bad joke. So bad I won't take the time to rant about it. Other than to say it ranks right down there with Dish Networks customer service.
 
TWC left our area after Hurricane Rita over five years ago. Left cables hanging /dangling from the utility poles. Still hanging as we speak. Just picked up thier money and ran like a bunch of gypsy,s.
 
Dish and Fox were having it out recently sounds like the same thing your talking about. It's just money, money, money.

Soon as satellite or cell phone internet service gets competetive with landline dsl I'm dropping home phone service and Dish and will watch internet tv and antenna for local.
 
It still irks me that back in the late 1970's the FCC cut the signal strength of a fair number of television stations here in NY. Instead of 11 stations (9 of the major networks and 2 PBS) we now receive 4, well that was before analog TV went out.
 
Still on the fence. I got a converter just for's and connected up to the antenna that picked up 8 analog channels. (3 Toledo, 5 Cleveland) I can only get two Cleveland stations now. Guess its good enough for weather emergencies, but I sure wouldn't waste my time watching CBS or ABC on a regular basis. It is nice though to have 24/7 weather info without having to wait for some loud mouth news anchor babble for 20 mins.
 
I'm still getting WKTV just fine. Just using a good old-fashioned TV antenna and get it over the air, for free. Also get the same programs on WNYT.

I gave up on Direct TV a long time ago - when it came to relying on getting local channals. I got tired of weather reports and news from California or New York City.

WKTV is broadcast in digital on UHF channel RF 29, better known virtual "channel 2." The signal comes from the Middleville area of Utica.

The same programming is also broadcast on WNYT on VHF high-band RF 12, calling themselves virtual "channel 13." Comes form New Scotland near Albany. We get that too.

We are nowhere near any of the channels we get, and some are 80 miles away, with many mountains in the way of the signals. just took mounting some antennas in the right places along with some LNAs and line-amps.

When TV was analog, for 30 years we got nothing but a one channel - a very snowy WRGB, i.e. RF 6.

After the digital change, and a little screwing around, we get 30 channels - and many are HD TV (which we never got from Direct TV). This is the main list, but most have subchannels. WKTV has two channels, 2.1 (NBC and 2.2 (The CW). WNYT has three channels, 13.1 (NBC, 13.2 (local weather), and 13.3 (weather radar).

WSKG virtual 46 and RF 42.

WBNG virtual 12 on RF 7.

WTEN virtual 10 and RF 26.

WKTV virtual 2 on RF 29

WIVT virtual 34 on RF 34

WICZ and WBPN virtual 40 on RF 8

42-001 and 42-002 - audio

WMHT virtual 17 and RF 34.

WRGB virtual 6 on RF 6

WYPX virtual 55 on RF 50.

WCWN virtual 45 an RF 43.

WNYT virtual 13 and RF 12.

WXXA virtual 23 and RF 7
 
Well, for over 30 years here in central New York, we barely got one channel. That with a huge VHF antenna (biggest made) and amp - channel 6 and very snowy.

Now, after the digital change? We get over 30 channels, many in HD.

I've experienced exactly the same in the Adirondacks and in northern Michigan. Obviously, the change to digital vastly improved reception for many people IF they know how to rig up thier electronics -and where to point the antennas. Many stations switched tower locations when they went to digital.
 
I finally hooked up my converter box this spring..

I knew we needed it, went a year without one.. Didn't bother me one bit.. And NO, I don't have satellite, cable, etc.

Only reason I hooked it up is so little guy can watch Sesame Street and the other cartoons on PBS (Which I think have surely helped him.. Not 2 years old, and shocked the crap out of me last weekend when he counted to TEN!!!) when he and the girlfriend come visit on weekends.

I get the weather on my phone or computer, Read the newspaper a couple nights a week, hear it on the radio in the tractor at work or while in the shop.

For entertainment, I spend my evenings here on YT, and I have had the same DVD in the player for nearly a month.. set sleep timer on the TV for about 30 minutes at bedtime.. Ya same movie as last night, but do it more for the background noise than anything.

Brad
 
Try the link below...type in your address and see which DTV channels you SHOULD be able to receive. Then go install a conventional antenna.

I've got a conventional antenna, so I can tell you there's no need for any special "HDTV" antenna. And I get more channels now than I did with analog TV. Decided long ago not to give in to the extortion they want for cable or dish TV service...and I like it that way. Miss my NASCAR races, but it's not worth what these blackmailers charge.
FCCs DTV maps
 
How far are you from their station tower? What kind of terrain is off in that direction?

I'm pulling in stations from about 90 miles away as the crow flies, with nothing in the way in that direction. All the charts & station managers say I shouldn't be getting the stations from that far, but come in 90+% of the time.

If you have any kind of line of sight, could be worth trying.

There are a lot of tricks to getting DTV over the air. Don't listen to the know-nothing kid behind a counter, they only want to sell a worthless 'digital antennea' which _isn't_. If one used to get analog stations, you should mostly be able to get the same digital channels now; just takes a little bit of study.

What channel is it, in the 6-13 range especially one should be able to get from a ways away if you aren't in mountains.

The antennea picture will be much clearer - real 1080i or 720p resolution, not the compressed junk cable or dish gives you.

--->Paul
 
Direct TV doesn't carry local stations in my area thru the satellite but they put up a great antenna that will pull in 12 local stations didn't realize some of the local stations were actually broadcasting three different things at once and cable or satellite doesn't carry but the main one if you go that route.If you know someone that installs Direct TV maybe they can get you one of those antennas
 
Well, we went to Dish then Direct TV (starting a dozen years or so ago) and my wife has gotten way too attached to her women's channels so the satellite is probably here to stay. We get three local channels and that is probably more than enough for how much we watch those anymore. Watch them for when we know there is a breaking news story, weather event, or NFL football.
I wish there was something that could have been done back in the 1970's but there was no satellite television then (that we were aware of and dad probably would have not spent the money on that anyways) and cable was not and still is not offered where we are at.
 
In many situations, the antennas needed ARE different then before. Many stations when they were analog were using the low and high VHF bands. So, many people only had VHF antennas.

After the digital change, many stations swapped over to the UHF bands. So, with many people, a good UHF antenna is needed, and the old VHF will not work.

Here in central New York, there are only two channels remaining on high-band VHF, and none left on low-band VHF.

Also, it's now an all-or-nothing signal. No more weak "snowy" pictures. So, if you had a weak signal before, you're apt to get nothing now without improving the antenna systems.

Anybody who wonders can just go to www.tvfool.com, punch in their address or GPS co-ords - and get a read-out of what is potentially available where they live.
 
Same goes for digital tuner-chips in new TVs. There's a huge differerence in sensitivity, and it's pretty hard to find out before you buy.

Also, some converter-boxes don't accept analog, and there are still quite a few analog channels coming from Canada into the USA.
 
I don't turn on the TV to be entertained, I want to be informed and learn about the world around me. Aside from the local news my viewing is limited to the Discovery, NG, History, DIY, and HGTV channels. Acg
 
Verizon should be your area and you get over 100 channels on your tv, internet and phone for about $99.00 a month. You get free long distance calls too. They installed it around here last year. Hal
 
How come you don't install an antenna to get them? Unless your home is built into a hole in the side of mountain, you ought to get all you want if near Springfield, Cooperstown, etc.

One of the best anteannss is less then $100. A good 30 dB LNA is $50. So, $150 and some micellaneous parts should get you all the local TV you want.
 
Try an antenna for your locals WKTV is a powerful UHF station. If you don't have terrain issues, you shouldn't have a problem with a good antenna. Local channel roulette is going on everywhere with many satellite/cable services.

Look around here:

www.rabbitears.info Rabbitears doesn't list analog channels unless they are in the process of converting to digital.

www.rabbitears.info/market.php A list of tv markets according to that site.

www.rabbitears.info/market.php?request=station_search&callsign=WKTV WKTV and the rest of Utica's tv stations.

www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1172155 WKTV coverage map.

www.rabbitears.info/market.php?request=marketmap Map of markets, click on any market to see channels available.

www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=334413&page=119 Discuss Syracuse-Utica TV, all types of service. Page may be old by the time you get to it. www.avsforum.com go to forms, local HDTV.., Syracuse-Utica if the first link doesn't work.

FCC TV query: www.fcc.gov/mb/video/tvq.html



AG
 
Only 2 were on the 6-13 channels in your area? If possible, any station that had to temporaroly go to UHF returned to the VHF band - it's much cheaper & mostly travels farther.

What troubled me during the transition, was the TV folk were all selling UHF antenneas as 'the new digital antennea you need'. When I pressed them, they were surprised to hear from me that (in my location) channels 9, 11, and 12 were going to return to VHF and that new antennea they were selling would not get 1/4 of the stations available after the transition was complete.

What one needs is VHF for 6-13, and UHF for 14-69. That was never explained well.

Yes, fuzzy stations are no more. It's all or nothing. Digital just weirds out.

tvfool was very helpful; but if I followed them like gospel, I would believe I can only get one station instead of the dozen or so that i do get. So don't just believe exactly what they say either.

--->Paul
 
I don't believe there is anything easier, then going to www.tvfool.com Punch in your address and/or GPS coordintate and get a full read of what is available in any area. Then work from there. If you use GPS numbers, you can get ane exact reading down to a couple of feet.

www.tvfool is the easiest and the most accurate I've found anywhere. Strength is expressed in "NM." I've been able to get all changes, down to as low as a negarive , -29 NM.

Here are a few around my farm.

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Here's a list for the Richfield Springs area of central NY with a 25 foot antenna mast.

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List for Cooperstown area of central NY.

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From what I have seen, the biggest confusion is #1, the allowance of channels using "virtual" numbers instead of the true RF numbers, and #2 many TV stations changed transmitter locations when they switched to digital. So, many seem local, but are not anymore. It doesn't matter where their offices are. What counts is where they transmit from.

TVfool gives very conservative reception predictions. I've got no problem with that.
That's why I mentioned I get them all down to a negative NM dBs.

As to the change, many stations switched from VHF to UHF permanently. In fact, in the USA, most have gone to UHF only.

In regard to a channels 2-13 VHF antenna, technically, there really isn't such a thing. There's a big section of FM radio and other bands between VHF channels 6 and 7. I.e., 6 and 7 sound close to each other, but they are not. Low band is 2-6, and high band is 7-13. To get all, you need two antennas. or one big "combo" antenna that hss both mounted on one beam. 6 ends at 88 MHz, and 7 starts at 174 MHz.

2-6 VHF is 54 to 88 MHz
FM radio is 88 to 108 MHz
7-13 VHF is 174 to 216 MHz
14-69 UHF is 210 to 794 MHz
 
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