Red deisel

pat sublett · Jun 11, 2008

I have a small 3 cylinder diesel tractor that I use to mow and a utility vehicle that has a diesel engine. I have been using a backhoe loader with a gasoline engine. I am replacing it with a new diesel tractor. I have been carrying diesel in 5 gal cans from the pump. That is no longer practical so I bought a small pump and tank. My question is what is involved in purchasing red diesel. I don’t have a legitimate farm but everything that I use diesel in is off road.

peaster · Jun 11, 2008

Depends on the State I would suppose. In Texas, you get a form from the fuel supplier, fill it out, and send it to the comptroller. The comptroller sends you back a letter that you take to the fuel supplier and then you can start buying red dye. I don't remember the form having anything about farm size or anything. Just a legal document saying you won't run red dye in on-road equipment or they fine the heck out of you. I'm a little unsure about how it would work if you used your equipment for custom work but we always ran it when custom baling.

Anonymous-0 · Jun 11, 2008

if it's off road you can use red deisel in any kind of engine just don't use it in any truck or car

RobMD · Jun 11, 2008

In maryland and pennsylvania, a tank dip by any traffic officer may be performed depending on his/her mood. You can get offroad diesel anywhere, but if your vehicle is ON THE ROAD at a given time with RED DYE in its tank, you're getting a fat ticket.

Doesn't matter if you have an auxilary external tank -HOWEVER... I hear of cops going to such lengths to examine whether or not the aux. tank is connected to the vehicle.

Don't worry about it.

Pete in MD · Jun 11, 2008

To answer your question - call a heating oil company and set up an account with them for "on-call" deliveries.

Wesley Stephens · Jun 11, 2008

Here in NC, you just buy it from an oil jobber or from a regular station. More and more of them are stocking off road fuel. The weigh men check trucks pretty regularly to see if people are using red fuel. A couple of years ago, I saw a logger filling up a service truck with red fuel in sight of a main highway and it spilled everywhere. If "the man" had ridden by, he would have been in trouble.

paul · Jun 12, 2008

Each state handles it differently, so would need to know where you are.

--->Paul

tlak · Jun 12, 2008

I think to be legally labeled a farm you have to have a minimun of 10 acres.

Anonymous-0 · Jun 12, 2008

Aw, My powerstroke must have a bad injector, fuel looks like used motor oil, not red but black

ericlb · Jun 12, 2008

here in nm you can buy red diesel for off road use, they dont have a problem with it in equipment moving from one place ot another on the road, but you cant use it in anything that is for primarily on road use, your car truck ect,if your going to buy over 100 gallons a month youneed a fuel permit [ 2 bucks and fill out a paper]

Two Dogs · Jun 12, 2008

Do you mean the buyer is actually responsible for the use of a product he buys???? What a concept! I wonder if the liberals have heard of this. TDF

Blackhole49 · Jun 12, 2008

Where I live in SE MI, a few gas stations sell it. The BP I go to, I've seen people pump it into their PU. The Shell requires you to sign a paper of some sort. I won't get it there. All I buy it for is my Kubota F-2000. I have 3 acres. It saves me 30 cents a gallon here.

CJ3b_jeep · Jun 12, 2008

We have stations here that sell it 40-50 cents cheaper than regular plus I think it's old formula and has a higher sulfer content, unless the dye smells that much more. What kind of tank and pump did you buy? I have been using 5 gallon cans and it sucks to fill the tractor that way.

Anonymous-0 · Jun 12, 2008

In Texas, the red-dyed off-road diesel is exactly the same ULSD (Ultra Low Sulpher Diesel)as the green/clear stuff. Only the red dye is added. Tom

Anonymous-0 · Jun 12, 2008

Pat, rules/availability are strictly by State. Where are you? Tom

Mike (WA) · Jun 12, 2008

Doesn't matter if you are a farmer- the distinction is use over the road, or "off road"- which includes construction equipment, farmers, loggers, contractors, etc. We don't use too much, so just get it in jerry cans- don't recall having to sign a paper, or anything. They watch pretty close, to be sure no one pumps it directly into their vehicle. I also have never heard of anyone getting checked, at least in my area.

Wheat Farmer · Jun 12, 2008

You do need to know the blend if you plan on using it in the winter. Mine was a #2 red diesel for the farm tractor and when I used it in my small tractor in the winter it gelled big time. I have not been able to find a true #1 Red Diesel.
I know of a guy that put it in his pickup, and the fine was $15,000. About the only saving at the Nebr Farm, and here in Colo was the tax. But with it now $4.90 anything helps.

Anonymous-0 · Jun 12, 2008

The local CoOp fuel delivery man said he could still get standard fuel which doesn't have the sulfur removed for off-road use. Could also get the old low sulfur and the new ultra low sulfur. He was providing the old low sulfur fuel to the farm based truckers, but a school purchased new buses that only use the ultra low stuff, so he dropped the old low sulfur and only carries the ultra low for on-highway, and non-modified stuff for off-highway. So according to this information tidbit "high" sulfur fuel is still available, and although unlikely, your local stations might have it for off-road use

pat sublett · Jun 12, 2008

I am in Texas, thanks for your responses.

dcarp · Jun 13, 2008

Go to Texas comptroller web site and download form AP-197. Texas dyed diesel fuel end user signed statement number registration, send it in.
You'll get a number that you will use on the form you fill out when you purchase tax-free fuel from a supplier.

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