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grandpa Love

grandpa Love

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Didn't want to get lost or steal that post. How much does wheel weights or loaded tires lower the center of gravity? On a ford 800....on a Cub?? Seems like wheel weights on the rear of a cub would make it want to tip over backwards going up a steep hill.....but it seems safer than going sideways on a hill.
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(quoted from post at 17:38:50 08/18/21) Didn't want to get lost or steal that post. How much does wheel weights or loaded tires lower the center of gravity? On a ford 800....on a Cub?? Seems like wheel weights on the rear of a cub would make it want to tip over backwards going up a steep hill.....but it seems safer than going sideways on a hill.
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Wheel weights on the wheels alone won't make it tip over backwards when going up hill, the tires are in contact with the ground so that weight is "on the ground". Weight added to the tractor chassis or hitch behind the center of the rear axle would make it lighter on the front and could cause it to rear up as the chassis can pivot on the rear axle. If adding rear wheel weights increases traction and you are pulling a load up hill, it could cause it to rear up quicker.
 
I've made trails in woods. One trail has a steep incline is so steep, The terramite will flip over backwards. Good news, the backhoe acts like a wheelie bar to keep you form flipping all the way over. It's scary to see the front end come. With HST you can go in reverse real fast putting the front wheels back on the ground.

Wheel base and height of tractor are also factors.
I used to mow tenant's yard with jubilee and woods mower.

Yesterday using the Kubota it was scary in one place in yard.
The tractor is taller with cab. I chickened out on side of incline.

If I have to mow that yard, I'll have to pull the jubilee out of retirement.
 
That hill is nothing to worry about as long as you know the terrain, no holes or big rocks or obstacles to run up on.

Rear weights add stability, and traction. Loss of traction, as in skidding on wet grass can get you in trouble too!

I see highway embankments with tractor tire marks that make you wonder how! I would never go there!
 
That's not too bad, try to mow with the motor and operator side uphill and mow crossways. A guy I worked for as a kid had a Cub that he mowed roadsides with. Put the motor on the high side and the other wheel in the ditch and go.
 

It use to be what seamed like a yearly thing a local rolled over a off set Farmall most did not survive. I spec few use them as they use to. I am wary of them on a hill are near a ditch play safe use another tractor.
 
Adding wheel weights will certainly increase the traction of an offset Farmall, as while working loose soil in a garden or tobacco field. The right side of all these tractors I have ever seen or used have a heavy cast centers for on the right side to help offset the weight. My dad's Super A never had wheel weights until about 10 years ago when I added a set to it. They really made a difference especially when cultivating on the side of a hill. I needed to use a brake to help stay in the row much less after the weights.
 
Two things:

First: No one asked how wide your Cub with sickle mower was. You can always extend the left side of the front axle and re-position the rear wheel center to make it wider on the offset side.

Second, Unless your cub has much more power than mine, it will choke before the front wheels leave the ground. (As long as you hitch to the drawbar of course.)

I added weights to my Cub (1965 model) and also extended the front axle 1 hole on both sides (about 2-1/2 inches) so it matched Daddy's cub. That way we can cultivate with either tractor.

That reminds me: When I bought my Cub it had a turf tire on the left side and an AG tire on the right. And it was as narrow as could be. this made the right side about 1-1/2 higher than the right on a level floor.
The seller commented during the negotiation Daddy bought it and didn't like it much. During the restoration I found damage to the air cleaner, and the steering column which indicated to me that it had been on its left side at some point. I guess if one rolled over on me I wouldn't like it much. either.

Daddy's cub has both weights and water in the rear tires.
 
I go by feel and would never advise by a picture or model number.

I just mowed my very steep road ditch with my Ford 7700 and 10 food disc mower. One has to plan and understand and know what they are doing... tall tractor and very off center weighting.

You can use that off center weight to your advantage, but boy are you in trouble if you forget or turn wrong.......

Gopher holes or mounds are a game changer as well.

Person needs to be paying attention.

Paul
 
Gopher holes or mounds are a game changer as well. agree

Biggest game changer is raised front loader full of dirt or bale of hay. Raises center of gravity.

Tragically all too often I hear on news where an old man is killed with his old tractor that flipped over or something fell on him. Some of the flipping is caused by the old man is trying to pull stumps or something out of the ground. Or a tree falls on tractor.
So having too much traction, ballast or weights, and trying to pull something out of the ground may be a killer.



Twice I've been spit off a tractor seat. First time with Old farmall with loader, I was a teenager. Another time with terramite using loader. Lesson learned, wear seat belt.
Remember our old tractors don't have seat belts and ROP.


Everyone, be safe. It's not the hill that kills you, it the unexpected that kills.
 
Well it depends on a lot of things. I cut my pond dam with my 3000 ford diesel and bush hog no weights or loaded tires not going up and down but along the slope like my truck and the tractor are facing in the picture with no problems and it's steeper that the slope you show by a lot. i hadn't finished leveling the dirt when I took this picture from having the pond dug out again but you can see what the finished slope looks like. You just have to go slow at first until you get the feel for it then after a couple of times you know what to expect and what you can and can't do.
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