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clear coating for old patina suggestions?

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INCase

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Hello all,

working on taking a couple of old Weber farm wagon seats from my wife's grandfathers farm (they are cleaning things out to sell it) and we acquired the wagon seats. THey are in pretty rough shape and i've had to buy new springs for them since 3 of the 4 originals were beyond repairs.

SInce the original Weber IHC decal is still ok i'd like to leave the seats as they are.

I've seen some old trucks and tractors where they've deliberately wanted to keep the original paint/rust and have put some kind of clear coat over it.

Any suggestions on what would work with these wood/metal seats?

the rest of the wagon is all there however there is NO running gear/wheels on it so it may be hard to do anything with

thanks.
 

The only thought that comes to my mind is to polish carefully, removing plaque and dirt. The wood can be varnished.
 
Personally I would thin some boiled linseed oil with thinner or turpentine and apply a couple heavy coats--the goal is deep penetration. They will stink for quite some time. This is not professional advice just what I would do if it were mine.
 
I don't know about wood but if you are talking steel, I just used spray cans of clear varnish coating from the hardware store. I used it on a few areas of the Merc where the paint was pretty much gone and just bare metal showing. Top of the front fenders and hood. Cleaned up well with steel wool prior to spraying it and I like the results.

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I don't know of any clear coat that would last more than a year or two. The rust would lift it. Any sort of wax that I have ever put on anything other than a finished surface stays white so it looks awful. I would use rust converter. It converts the rust to black iron phosphate and it will creep under whatever paint you still have and kill the rust there so that it stops the paint lift and rusting, and it will also help to preserve your decals.
 
Yes there is a new group of idiots that call rust patina .A word I reserve for bronze statues not cars or old trucks . Rust and patina is called YOU NEED A PAINT JOB , nothing else or an untouched original finish. But to answer the question the idiots use gloss or matte clear coat. {to preserve the ugly rust . Sorry I don't get it .
 
I agree with the boiled linseed oil. It won't be permanent, but at least you can just keep recoating it every so often.

Clear coat is not going to like going over rust, and it sure wont like sun if they are going outside. It will be a peeling mess in no time.
 
So there idiots because YOU don't like it?
I have patina painted Sheet metal on one of my pulling tractors & I get way more compliments on it then I ever get w my other tractors w nice paint, to each there own.
 
No you have a really original unpainted tractor .That is fine as long as the word Patina is not used as a description. It is old paint not patina . Those are the idiots who think old paint is something more than just that. Old paint .
 
Now now there boys, why cant we all get along. Here is what old Mr. Webster says about patina:
patina
[ptn]
NOUN
a green or brown film on the surface of bronze or similar metals, produced by oxidation over a long period.
synonyms:
layer coat coating covering cover surface sheet blanket dusting skin overlay screen mask wash glaze varnish veneer veil
a gloss or sheen on wooden furniture produced by age and polishing.
synonyms:
shine sheen luster gleam shininess glossiness brightness brilliance shimmer sparkle polish burnish glaze varnish
the impression or appearance of something.
he carries the patina of old money and good breeding
 
(quoted from post at 13:16:37 04/06/21) No you have a really original unpainted tractor .That is fine as long as the word Patina is not used as a description. It is old paint not patina . Those are the idiots who think old paint is something more than just that. Old paint .
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Patina is aged merely one word for aged surface.
Be it oxidized, cracked paint or paint that is wore away to the point that the mother surface is also exposed and oxidized (if metal).

So you hate the word patina.

How about the people that call facial tissue kleenex, are the idiots as well??
 
Doc ...... you're really into the name calling (idiots) today, that's a pretty strong word to me for a reply to a topic like this. Maybe you use it daily, who knows? Anyways, what is called patina on say a car fender that someone wants to sort of preserve is not really rust like a person would visualize a rusted out rocker panel. It's almost nothing more than a weathered and discolored portion of the paint which to some extent has disappeared.
 
The patina fad came along at just the right time for me. Theres no way I"m going to spend $20,000 plus to build a $10,000 old four door Mercury. If it was a more desirable convertible, coupe or hardtop, maybe. But then I"d be scared to drive it on gravel roads. Mine is just a plain jane four door sedan that has over 60 years of family history and sentimental value to me. What paint is left shined up real well after hours of work. The rest got a little clear varnish to preserve it.
People love the car but I do get the odd question, "when are you going to paint it?" :D

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They may not be using the correct word, but you called then IDIOTS, which means they have an extremely low intelligence level. Perhaps not the best word.
 
If you do not know the English language and dictionary definitions .[ Patina - a green or brown film on the surface of bronze or similar metals produced by oxidization over a long period .] So calling bad paint on an auto is not in this description .Some may say it is the evolution of the word some say it is idiots misusing the language . I tend to go with the latter.
 
Nothing likes rust.
Metal conditioners converts rust, iron oxide, back to iron.
Phosphoric acid is the active ingredient in some rust converters.
I bought a gallon of phosphoric acid off Amazon cheaper than metal conditioners. It claims to be more concerted.
Haven't used it yet. I would recommend soaking seat in phosphoric acid and tell us how it works.

George
 
(quoted from post at 18:26:18 04/06/21) Nothing likes rust.
Metal conditioners converts rust, iron oxide, back to iron.
Phosphoric acid is the active ingredient in some rust converters.
I bought a gallon of phosphoric acid off Amazon cheaper than metal conditioners. It claims to be more concerted.
Haven't used it yet. I would recommend soaking seat in phosphoric acid and tell us how it works.

George
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Please name the product that turns rust back into iron.
 
Really a clear coating isn't very effective unless the base coat is fresh. Going over old paint you will have a great deal of problems with adhesion. It would look great initially but in the weeks or months later it would begin to get air under the clear and make cloudy spots and eventually peal.
 
Doc ..... you must be a fun guy to work or visit with. I'd like to talk to your neighbors or your co-workers, I can only imagine what they'd have to say. You really do need some professional help, I suggest you make an appointment.
 
thanks for the feedback. I think i'll get some rust converter for the metal parts. I had gotten some from NAPA years ago that was in a rattle can and worked great. Hopefully they still have it available. as for the wood parts. I may try the suggestions of a varnish or polyurethane. Since i have 2 seats and will probably only fix one up as a piece of furniture in the house i could try it on the bottom of the other seat.

the wood is really dry so (probably 110ish years old)


However, Dr. i do not thank you for your feedback. if you're having a bad day make your own post or go split some firewood and get your frustrations out. You made yourself look more like an idiot with each of your replies. I generally don't reply to such things but that was absolutely ridiculous and unnecessary.
 
I love the durability of urethane but would be quite hesitant to use it on "old dry wood" without getting some type of oil based preservative into the wood first.
 
Doc ..... well that explains it all then, would most psychiatrists call people idiots that have an opinion different than their own? Perhaps a bit of snobbishness? I hope not. I still think Doctor Phil would like to have a chat with you.
 
(quoted from post at 20:00:26 04/06/21)
(quoted from post at 18:26:18 04/06/21) Nothing likes rust.
Metal conditioners converts rust, iron oxide, back to iron.
Phosphoric acid is the active ingredient in some rust converters.
I bought a gallon of phosphoric acid off Amazon cheaper than metal conditioners. It claims to be more concerted.
Haven't used it yet. I would recommend soaking seat in phosphoric acid and tell us how it works.

George
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Please name the product that turns rust back into iron.
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Yeah, I could use a truckload of that.
 
I sprayed my F-20 with three coats of 50/50 mix of boiled linseed oil and mineral spirits to preserve it as is until the day the boy wants to help restore it.
Until then, I like that you can see that it is an original numbers matching survivor. Its been outside its entire life and I like that it tells that story. They took good care of itThe only things I had to replace are the tires, carb and manifold and I put a muffler on it.

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I have a bud that makes furniture, lights an such out of old factory industrial Equitment. He uses Penetrol oil based paint additive.
 

good point. i can try it (Poly) on one of the spring mounts from the extra seat just to see how it behaves without risking too much.
 
Well no, he's not a medical doctor if that's what you mean. Maybe a PhD in psychology or sociology or something. The guy across the street from me is a so-called 'doctor' ..... actually a PhD in English Literature but he refers to himself as Doctor X. You mentioned you were a psychiatrist, like an actual medical degree 'MD' in psychaitry?
 
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