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Oldiron29

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My return is plumbed into hydraulic drain plug supply is connected to end cap from aux valve. should have flow to loader valve body Right?
I had loader apart rebuilt one cylinder and all new front lines, Yes there is a lot of air in there I held valve on for about 5 mins and I get no movement at all. How long should it take to bleed loader? should I crack open some lines?
Now I am rethinking my supply? my not have pressure?
 
The pump must have lost it's prime.

Did you try bringing the RPM up?

Somehow you need to get some oil in the pump. Maybe loosen the pump pressure line at the outlet of the pump. If there is an easy place to take the line off, try pouring some oil in with the engine off.

Once the pump catches prime, the empty lines and cylinders will self bleed as the loader is put through the motions.
 
I did drain fluid from plug hole as I needed to change connection fitting. If I move aux valve handle to rear remote engine labor as there is pressure
I check a hose connection on front of lift cylinder and there was fluid there. It wont build pressure till it is full of fluid?
 
If I have my supply from end cap on aux valve does the valve have to be in float to send pressure to loader valve?
 
Hi oldiron29,
I missed this post yesterday, did you get your loader problem solved?
The loader was working before you replaced some hoses?
So we know hydraulic pump is working because pulling a remote hydraulic lever loads the tractor engine and #PT and Power Steering work, correct?
Plenty of hydraulic fluid in transmission?

So loader has it's own hydraulic control valves, Input is from Power Beyond plate from the outside of the tractor remote control valve(s) and Output is to hydraulic drain plug under the right rear axle?

JimB
 
Jimb2 The tractor IH 584 Has never had a loader before. The loader was purchased used left side lift cylinder was leaking now rebuilt
and 8 new hose's out front. power steering works 3pt works fluid level above full. This morning with high RPM and cracking hose's and bleeding out some air I got the loader to move some no power. I am trying to get the stand up so I can drive into it to mount it NG.
Aux valve is in float. I am at a dead end here only thought I have was to change supply to draft control if that will work better.
Any Idea's would help.
 
Here in Canada, all 54/74/84/95/32xx/42xx series tractors, loaders were connected by removing the hydraulic line(sort of L shaped line) from the top of the Remote Hydraulic control to the Draft control but I believe the US crated units had different remote hydraulic controls, see photo from Caseih.com parts below.
Does your 584 have the plate on the end with the plug item #22? The 584s in Canada don't have a plug in the end plate and you have to buy a Power Beyond plate for $$$, so that is the reason in Canada that everyone connects loaders by removing the Draft control line.
So you removed the plug and used that as the input to the loader controls?
Have you tried the Remote hydraulic lever in the Neutral position?
What I don't understand is that if this a true Power Beyond plate with the plug installed the hydraulics would be under load all the time until the Remote Hydraulic lever is pulled.



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JimB2 End cap Is #24 in diagram plug on top My son has same tractor with 2250 loader his has different end cap his plug is on front.
Any way I pulled return line off draft control and measured for short extension of my existing hose with fittings. I will get hose and cap for return line and hose in the morning put it back together and hook it to loader cross my fingers. Aux valve can stay as it is for rear remote. I will keep you posted. Thanks for your help.
 
I posted the question over on Red Power site about the USA 584 end plate plug for loader connection.
I am hoping J-Mech will answer as he has worked on many of the USA models of 74/84/95 series tractors.
 
JimB2 my sons tractor has end cap # 123081C1 mine has end cap 123104C1 so yes different end cap his works for 2250 loader with aux.
valve in float. I see where it does not cover same ports in valve block, I do not think the bottom port is opened by either end cap.
I see power beyond blocks have two ports to connect to would think supply and return but find no info on that.
 
Duffield equipment has a good picture of both end caps side by side he calls them #123082C2 and 114566C91
123 has only one hole open the 114 has two holes open. I would think the two hole recycles flow
and the one hole is pressure that must have return elsewhere so that would be put on for loader when from dealer
that is why mine don't work.
 
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