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Saw this on Fecebook this morning.
Note to self:
Don't try to use loader to push the tree in the direction you want it to fall.


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I was wondering the same thing...

Maybe start cutting the top off the tree until it comes down.

Still could be an interesting ride!
 
I'm not going to comment on the tractor hanging there waiting to be gutted out, but that is an excellent example of where the guy with the saw should have made a plunge cut behind the notch which he made as it lays on the ground by the stump, and then finished off the back cut from inside out. The likely-hood of it's barber-chairing would have been far less. Loren
 
I don't quite get it;
Please explain to this novice what the term "barber chair" is referring to. I suppose the picture is self-explanatory to some people, but I am just not seeing the barber chair. Thanks much!

Dennis M. in W. Tenn.
 
(quoted from post at 06:02:34 03/22/19) Maybe next time they will notch it to reduce chance of splitting
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What would notching the BACK cut accomplish?

The notch on the face appears to be pretty small, but it is notched. It's not all that large of a tree, and I've seen professional loggers use less notch than that.
 
A barbers chair tree felling is when someone would be sitting there cutting (like sitting in a barber's chair), the tree splits with force that would take off the top portion of the cutter (like the barber) if not out of the way.
 
I could see it happening. Look close at the saw dust...there is a nice little patch where a tire could of been by edge of picture. The cut being under the raised bucket easily went under. Since the trunk was going up and over it caught the cross brace on the loader. The machine was light enough that the tree lifted it right up, front end hit remaining stump and bounced or slid behind the base of the tree.
 
I think the stump thickness matches up but the portion of snapped off tree does not look anywhere long enough to meet where it was cut and no chunks lying around in the picture.
 
If the tree did indeed split and fall that way, definitely a scary situation. I question the veracity of the entire picture though, because the tractor is, without a doubt, photoshopped in. No tire tracks, and no skid marks in the snow. Think about it, wouldn't you say there should be a lot more snow disturbance if the tractor had been snagged and pulled up like that?
 
I had to fell a couple "leaners" after a windstorm a few years ago. I knew the trunks were under a lot of strain at the butt so before cutting I took a few wraps around with chain above where I was going to set my notch. Made the notch and then the felling cut. One of them went down just fine, but the other tried to barberchair. Chain prevented it from opening much and made it a safe fall.
 
It accomplished hanging the tractor up in the air by splitting the trunk because of pushing the wrong way.

Whats the big deal in cutting down trees when you have a chainsaw. Now let me see? Which side have I been told to notch?
I think I have this down. It didn't fall. I don't want to pinch my new saw so I'll just push it over with my loader! OOOPS!!
 
(quoted from post at 10:44:55 03/22/19) If the tree did indeed split and fall that way, definitely a scary situation. I question the veracity of the entire picture though, because the tractor is, without a doubt, photoshopped in. No tire tracks, and no skid marks in the snow. Think about it, wouldn't you say there should be a lot more snow disturbance if the tractor had been snagged and pulled up like that?
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The POSSIBILITY does exist that the ground was frozen, so no tracks in the dirt, and the snow fell AFTER the incident.
 
(quoted from post at 08:54:31 03/22/19)
(quoted from post at 10:44:55 03/22/19) If the tree did indeed split and fall that way, definitely a scary situation. I question the veracity of the entire picture though, because the tractor is, without a doubt, photoshopped in. No tire tracks, and no skid marks in the snow. Think about it, wouldn't you say there should be a lot more snow disturbance if the tractor had been snagged and pulled up like that?
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The POSSIBILITY does exist that the ground was frozen, so no tracks in the dirt, and the snow fell AFTER the incident.
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Lol, and then someone dumped wood shavings from a chainsaw on top of the snow after it fell? I think we're getting down to the heart of it! Lol!
 
(quoted from post at 12:45:36 03/22/19)
(quoted from post at 08:54:31 03/22/19)
(quoted from post at 10:44:55 03/22/19) If the tree did indeed split and fall that way, definitely a scary situation.....?
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The POSSIBILITY does exist that the ground was frozen, so no tracks in the dirt, and the snow fell AFTER the incident.
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Lol, and then someone dumped wood shavings from a chainsaw on top of the snow after it fell? .....
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If you strike a general arch (like the path that trunk portion would of taken), the tractor likely went straight up (enough to clear the snow) before swinging down back down to the stump....leaving little disturbance on the snow with in the picture (meaning lots more not seen).


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... Marks in snow seem linear to out of frame might be tire/drag
 
think your new name for facebook is not only creative, but most appropriate! What a waste of time reading the inane posts.
 
The angles don't look right to my eye. For the tree to catch the loader, the tractor would have had to have been a little further around the tree. Also, if you consider the length of the piece the tractor is suspended from, as well as how close the tractor would have had to be to the tree when the loader was fully extended, it looks as if the tree trunk would have had to have hit and pushed the front of the tractor back and to the side in order to snag the cross brace that way. Just doesn't look right.

However, until a higher resolution picture shows itself, I think its a moot point to argue. I'm bowing out for the time being.
 
I don't care if it is doctored or not . The picture is still funny to look at. I've not had trees break up the trunk like that split about 2-3 feet maybe if it wasn't notched enough or not cut fast enough nearing the falling point.
 
"Barber chair"

A tree that, while in the process of receiving the back cut, splits lengthwise and leaves a vertical piece of wood on top of the stump. The remaining piece sticking up in the air is reminiscent of a chair.

Watch the video link
Once you get to YouTube, there are several videos that show barber chair incidences. They are dangerous and can be fatal.
Tree barber chair
 
The flaw in the pic is the distance between the cut stump and the tractor is far greater than the distance from the end sticking through the loader and the top of the unsplit piece of trunk. 3 feet are missing that should be sticking out over the tractor. Jim
 
lots wrong here. don't even look right. you try to hang a tractor in the shop like that and it will be impossible! that picture is not engineered! lol.
 
(quoted from post at 05:09:29 03/22/19) Saw this on Fecebook this morning.ues
Note to self:
Don't try to use loader to push the tret smalle in the direction you want it to fall.


<img src="https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cvphotos/cvphoto17343.png">
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I realize that the tractor is not that big by comparison. But it still has some weight to it. I question the ability of a tree that small to hold up a tractor. Now granted my image resolution isn't the best. But tree also appears to be soft wood. Further reducing it's weight carrying ability. There appears to be a large chunk if the trunk missing. Also doesnt look as though very much is actauly touching the tractor.
 
Entirely possible. One guy tried shoving a tree over with forks by pushing on the tree with one fork. The fork slipped off & went in between the forks. At that time the tree decided to fall over sideways, thus flipping the dozer on its side. Dozer driver was seriously injured.
 
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