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SVcummins · Dec 28, 2018

115 hp can pull an 8 bottom moldboard plow but I
need to farm there ! No wonder the guys across the
pond are so proud of their plowing pretty easy to do
a good job in soil that?s The consistency of brown
sugar

Philip d · Dec 28, 2018

It certainly isn?t here SV,115 hp at times struggles with a 5 bottom plow here.

Bob Bancroft · Dec 28, 2018

But, you see, it's only pulling 5 bottoms!

Bruce from Can. · Dec 28, 2018

I have land I pull 5 bottoms with my old 966 IH tractor. Did this for many years till I got the slightly bigger Kubota. My home farm is a bit different deal, old 966 would struggle with 5 bottoms, hard to steer with the front tires airborne. Kubotas a 4 wheel drive with loader, just walks through.

spacechem · Dec 28, 2018

Must be the same kinda dirt where a guy on here pulls 5-16s with his 930 Case.

larry@stinescorner · Dec 28, 2018

we have one good spot that you said you like!

Your JD s would breeze through it!

Bring the JDs this way!

wfw · Dec 28, 2018

Here in eastern NC it is all sand. pulling a plow would not be a problem, I do not think. everything I have tried to grow does not amount to anything, except asparagus. I just have a 1/2 acre lot. Cannot grow tomatoes, squash, or anything else I have tried. I would have a good garden in western NC but here the soil is poor. but it does grow great sand spurs!!!

Naylorbros · Dec 28, 2018

A good HP number to shoot for per 16" bottom for where I am at in Utah is 30 to 35 HP. That will get you about 5 MPH for plowing speed.

jddrawbar · Dec 28, 2018

That is some beautiful soil!

Adirondack case guy · Dec 28, 2018

Would you be referring to me?? We have some excellent Honeway loam soil here on the farm. Farms just off to our north on the middle ground have some terrible nasty yellow clay that I can only pull a 4 bottom plow, and then closer to the Mohawk river there is gravel ground, and then the bottom land is rich deep sandy loam. It just depends on where you are and how steep the ground is.
BTW the plow that I have pictured is a 5 bottom 18" plow, and the 930 is now has a 426cu.in. engine rather than the stock 401.

DeltaRed · Dec 28, 2018

Here in irrigated western Colorado,we also figure 30-35 hp per bottom. However,some soils,25 hp will suffice. Other places,you meed 40.all depends on soil type. Plow type also makes a difference. Fully mounted rollover takes more power,semi mount or pull behing take less. Brand also matters. I have found an IH plow pulls easiest,A jD plow pulls harder,often a gear difference.

Adirondack case guy · Dec 28, 2018

You have to realize that the Europeans farm much differently than we do. Their farming practices have been refined much more than ours. Their ground has been plowed and amended year after year like we do our gardens. They still plow their ground year after year. That is much different than trying to plow ground that grew prairie grass for the last 20 years, or tryng to plow a field that has been in No-Till for several years.
I truly believe that European equipment is much more advanced and productive than North American equipment.
A good example of their advances technology is the use of MFWD. They incorporated into their tractors when Christ was a pup. Another widely used innovation is the use of front 3pt hitch and PTO. That concept is just being accepted here in NA. If you look at their tractors, you see very few with duals, but exceptionally large tires and most all tillage equipment is 3pt mounted and utilizes draft control systems to maintain traction. The ones that don't have an implement on the front, all seam to have a very heavy counter weight attached to the front 3pt.
I also see that they make much more use of farm tractors for highway maintenance tasks such as snow plowing, and they have much higher road speeds.
Loren

sourgum · Dec 28, 2018

Think Oliver had a sales brochure for the 1900 or 1950 T when they were first introduced that had them hooked to an 8 bottom plow. They were in that 110 - 115 hp class. Never saw one actually pulling an 8 bottom in the field, but seems like their picture showed that. There is a good bit of difference in soils, ones with high clay content will take more horsepower. High sand content take less horsepower. The narrower plows take a bit less horsepower also. When you posted plowing video seemed you were plowing deep, nothing wrong with that, but it takes more hp to plow deep than shallow.

SVcummins · Dec 28, 2018

My 3 bottom John Deere pulls just as easy as my 2 bottom international that?s a fact I can pull the 3 14 the same depth or deeper than a the 2 x 14 in the same gear

1948CaseVAI · Dec 28, 2018

I don't lknow the HP or the length of the "one-ways", but in the 60s, when I was about 15, Dad had me pulling two long one-ways behind a old Case LA. We did not moldboard plow there because the dirt was, as Dad told me, essentialy weightless. As a consequence we "plowed" with the one-way discs, but as I said, we ganged them together so that we were making a very large swath through the dirt. East of there, in Pawnee county, we used moldboard plows in those days.

SVcummins · Dec 28, 2018

I pulled 5 16 with a 4020 for years but it worked it guts out in anything but stubble . But this guy is pulling 5 and pushing 3 more

SVcummins · Dec 28, 2018

I?ve pulled 5 16 with a 4020 for a long time hard to pull yes but this guy is pulling 5 and pushing 3 more

LAA · Dec 28, 2018

My Mother was originally from Southeast Georgia, cotton and peanut land, as a kid I remember seeing a plow that one of my Georgia Uncles plowed sandy peanut ground with, the shanks looked like 1'' square stock, would not have made half a round in our Lousiana gumbo clay. He Farmed a couple hundred acres with a Farmall 200 and a JD A.

oldtanker · Dec 28, 2018

(quoted from post at 09:13:48 12/28/18) You have to realize that the Europeans farm much differently than we do. Their farming practices have been refined much more than ours. Their ground has been plowed and amended year after year like we do our gardens. They still plow their ground year after year. That is much different than trying to plow ground that grew prairie grass for the last 20 years, or tryng to plow a field that has been in No-Till for several years.
I truly believe that European equipment is much more advanced and productive than North American equipment.
A good example of their advances technology is the use of MFWD. They incorporated into their tractors when Christ was a pup. Another widely used innovation is the use of front 3pt hitch and PTO. That concept is just being accepted here in NA. If you look at their tractors, you see very few with duals, but exceptionally large tires and most all tillage equipment is 3pt mounted and utilizes draft control systems to maintain traction. The ones that don't have an implement on the front, all seam to have a very heavy counter weight attached to the front 3pt.
I also see that they make much more use of farm tractors for highway maintenance tasks such as snow plowing, and they have much higher road speeds.
Loren

Gotta agree with Loren here. On my first tour of Germany we did a lot of manure training out in the German country side. Got to see a lot of things that were done differently than in west MN dairy country. Did my first hitch there starting in 1976. There were a lot of MFW tractors over there from smaller to larger. Made me wonder why it had not caught on here in the US.

Rick

SVcummins · Dec 28, 2018

Rick I think they have to work in wetter conditions
than we do in the US I watch a lot of YouTube
videos and it seems like they?re always plowing in
mud or standing water or wet soil also more hills
and that?s why four wheel drive and mfwd started
there a lot sooner Is my assumption anyway

jon f mn · Dec 28, 2018

Be fun to see them stick that plow in the ground on my place and try to move it.

SVcummins · Dec 28, 2018

Might pull it down the road here our air is thicker than that

SVcummins · Dec 28, 2018

I?ve seen plows that Looked like that to laa and they look like they would be scrap in 2 rounds in our clay and rocks

SVcummins · Dec 28, 2018

I?d like to find a one way or disc plow for playing in
the rocks I had one actually two but they got
scrapped

jwmfarms · Dec 28, 2018

R. W. Watts was an Oliver dealer in Essex County., VA. He sold either a 1900 or 1950 with an eight bottom plow. Word got around, and so many people were calling the owner wanting to come and see it, he parked it at a granary out on US 17. Folks were coming by the carload, some from as far away as Pennsylvania! It pulled it, though! So don't think it can't be done!

RandyB(MI) · Dec 29, 2018

I remember those sales brochures. I used to pick them up when went with Dad to the Oliver dealership. yes, the one for the 1900 said " Mighty Monarch of Power" ...Oliver 1900..8 plow tractor. the other one was for the 1800..."6 plow tractor"... (80 hp)LOL the BTO here in cent MI lived a mile from Oliver dealer and bought the first 1900 around here. 5 - 16,s was all it would do around here. Pitiful excuse for a tractor. Always had trans/rear trouble with it and the screamin' jimmy give it up within two years. I attended HS with their son so got a week to wek updates on it. Mind you, I loved the new gen Olivers back then but not the reports I heard back from them. Basically the first of the real "component" built tractors. Sometimes the "bean counters" didn't do the best job of pairing up components. Perkins in the 1850 was probably the best "match - up' they did. Lasted one year and probably got better deal from waukashaw again so went back.

VicS · Feb 29, 2020

I understand they can just go on the road with 12ft. Also think they are beating tax issues using farm tractors instead of trucks. The reason we usa are moving dirt with two 16yard pulls and quad track ag tractors. They drove them from tx. To Il. To dig our land fill. Otherwise would have had to take apart Cat dirt pulls and haul them. Can't drive industrial equipment on hia-way.

the tractor vet · Mar 1, 2020

Well i have seen and even run a 560 Farmall with 5x14's , when i started out i pulled 3x14's with my 450 D and my buddy was pulling 4x14's with his 450 , the next year i got rid of the 311's and went with 540 4 bottoms and i pulled them in the same gear just as fast as the three bottoms . when the 806 came out the guy i worked for bought the first one sold around here and it came with 5x16 semi mounts and you could run along in low 4 to high 1 , my uncle a week later bought the second one sold and a new set of five bottom 16's for it . But they did claim that they were a 5-6 bottom tractor . They also claimed the 706 was a 4-5 plow and i have never done it but i know of a guy that was pulling 5x16's with his 706

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