Ultradog MN
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M-MAN
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Thanks for the link. Glad to see you are ok. I was worried when VJ day came and went with no post from you.
larry@stinescorner
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thanks for all the great history posts you send,,,all very interesting!
Billy Shafer
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My Dad,Grandfather and several uncles. Were getting ready to invade Japan. Didn't expect to live through it. Sure glad there was no invasion.Saved lives on both sides.
When Truman gave the OK for the bombs he knew what he was doing. All of the island hopping was just a warm up of what the home islands would have been. Okinawa was a real messs and as soon as they would have hit the beach on any spot of the archipelago of Japan....forget it. When in college I can remember all of these idiot kids crying about how the bombs were not necessary. What idiots. Of course if you showed the statistics of the island campaigns they told you were full of S and a war monger. Those same idiots are in control today.
Not only that but if we had invaded, that would have given the Soviet?s time to start their own invasion on the homeland and eventually split the country just like Korea. Some of the Japanese seem to forget that. Soon as the fighting was over in the east, Stalin declared war on Japan and was making a mad dash to grab as much territory as he could.
greenmech
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Thanks for posting that. Ron MN
David Snipes
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In the 70's I visited the Missouri when it was kept at Bremerton Wa. There is a plaque on the deck at the surrender spot. It was pretty sobering to stand there.
My brother ended up in Japan a number of years ago doing warranty service on equipment his company had installed in factories.He encountered people in the factory that were still very upset that they had A bombs dropped on them. They said to him "look what the Americans did to us",(We are Canadians)My brother turned and said to them,"What were you thinkin to attack such a large country like the U.S.?", "YOU DONT ##CK WITH THE UNITED STATES" He said he never heard a word about the subject again.
Actually Truman had been pushing Russia to declare war on Japan once Germany surrendered in May 45. Stalin waited until after the 1st atomic bomb was dropped. He declared war on Japan on 8 Aug 1945. We dropped those bombs on Aug 6 and 9.
As far as people claiming that Japan was trying to seek terms before the bombs were dropped and therefore they were not necessary? Some low level government officials had sent out some feelers to see if Japan could negotiate an end to the war. These people were not in the position to negotiate anything unless they could overthrow the government. It seems unlikely they could have done that so all those feelers were is a distraction.
Rick
Thanks! I love hear odd little tidbits like that.
My oldest daughter marred a guy who's father had been a tanker under Patton in North Africa, Sicily and then again after the Normandy invasion once Patton was put back into command. He tells the story that his company was help in reserve by Patton and sent out as a reaction force if anyone begged for reinforcements. He told the story of a group of British soldiers under Patton that constantly called for backup and by the time they could get the problem was resolved. Seems the radio operator was calling without the commander knowing. They found out when the radio operator was killed and a replacement was sent in......no more calls from the Brits.
My own dad talked about a couple of guys in his company that when they were in a rest area stole stuff from the mess hall and used a radiator to make a still. Once they started making GI style moonshine they gave it to the natives in the area. My dad thought it was pretty funny. The natives were not used to booze.
Rick
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My dad was in Patton's 4th Armored, he was wounded at the Rhine shortly after they liberated Bastone.
LOL funny but they did not "liberate" Bastogne. Bastogne had already been liberated. When the bulge started 101 Airborne was sent to hold Bastogne to keep the German from retaking it. They held until Pattons forces relieved them (not rescued). Right about then the Germans ran out of fuel and had to retreat abandoning most of their equipment. An effort to encircle the retreating Germans was made but many escaped entrapment to fight another day.
Pattons forces did what many thought to be impossible. Disengaged 3 divisions from combat, moved over 100 miles and attacked the German forces that had surrounded Bastogne. Patton may have issued the orders but the men are the ones who achieved that astounding accomplishment.
It was a news reporter who started the "Patton rescued the 101" story. Made good headlines. But by the time Patton broke through the sky's had cleared and the 101 was being resupplied via air. Yea they were in ruff shape but it really wasn't a rescue.
Rick
When people say that it was the Soviet military might that caused Japan to quit the war I have to rely upon the Japanese themselves when they say why they quit. In announcing the conclusion of the war in his radio address to the Japanese people (he never mentioned surrender) the emperor of Japan only cites the nuclear bombings and doesn't even mention the Soviet Union. In an address to the Japanese armed forces the emperor cited his desire to avoid the certain invasion of the home islands specifically as one of the reasons to quit the war.
Most of the people who are making the claim that they surrendered because of the Soviet attacks into Manchuria are doing so to claim that we had no need to drop the 2nd bomb. Even had that come into play the soviets attacked on 9 Aug 1945. The same day as the bomb on Nagasaki. The Japanese did offer to surrender on the 10th providing that the Emperor was left alone while we were demanding unconditional surrender. Considering communications in Japan a the time it's possible that they did not know of the Soviet attacks. The Japanese did not announce the intent to surrender until 15 Aug. In between the events on the 9th and the 15th when Japan announced that they would surrender the Soviets continued attack and we continued conventional and fire bomb attacks. Plus there was an attempted coup of those who wanted to continue the war.
Rick
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