Makes me mad...

dcarp · Sep 3, 2017

Every time I change the oil & filter on my NH T5070. Why is the dang thing base down. No way to remove the filter without making a mess. I stuff a bunch of rags or paper towels under it but it still leaves a mess to clean up. The engineer that thought this up must have been laughing when he did it.

Buddy · Sep 3, 2017

LOL, Rust prevention.

Janicholson · Sep 3, 2017

Every engineer should be required to repair/maintain every device that they put into production. If time permits put a cake pan under the filter, punch a hole just above the seam and also in the top. It should bleed out and make much less mess. Jim

Phil9N3667 · Sep 3, 2017

Have seen an engine like that with a drain plug under the housing to help make less mess. There's also a moldable lead lined plastic covered funnel thst helps divert oil. My Husky CZ4817 mower has a 17 HP Kohler filter's upside doen with a 1/8" pipe plug that drains the oil onto the frame!!

midtnman · Sep 3, 2017

Try to reach the filter on a NHT495.............

Steve@Advance · Sep 3, 2017

Wonder if just punching a hole in the top would let the oil drain back down into the engine?

jacksun65 · Sep 3, 2017

you should see the filter on my dads charger. old style cover with a non metal filter underneath oil goes on top of the engine, just stuff rags all over and hope you get all of it.

FBH44 · Sep 3, 2017

Any way to bore a hole and install a drain plug on the underside?

caterpillar guy · Sep 3, 2017

Drain the oil the night before then pull the filter just before you put the new one on. Will probably be very little oil left in the filter. My cat engine in the truck will run down the sides of the filter so you get all oil when taking it off. I just let it set overnight with the oil out then pull it the next morning and add the oil. doesn't run down that way.

Crazy Horse · Sep 3, 2017

Really, not a big deal, lots of ways to deal with it if one reads the replies below. Lots of cars and trucks are the same way.

guido · Sep 3, 2017

Hello dcarp,

Just punch a hole at the base of the filter. Get ready to catch the oil before you remove the punch or ice pick. A hole on the top after that might make it flow better,

Guido.

Ranchingelec · Sep 3, 2017

The same person must have developed the oil pan to. That you have to pull both oil plugs on either side of the pan to get all the oil out.
Ranch

dcarp · Sep 3, 2017

Thanks, I'll give it a try next time!

Philip d · Sep 3, 2017

I just changed the oil on our new to us T4030 and I drained the base before I changed the filter and there was no mess? It was full before I changed it too.i don't think I was dreaming but I'm pretty sure when the base drained it drained the filter too?

Duner Wi · Sep 3, 2017

Did the original oem filter make a mess?
I know filters can be made that do not leak when you take them off
that are upside down if you wish.

K Effective · Sep 3, 2017

SWMBO's Highlander has a pleated paper oil filter, with cast aluminum lower housing. You remove a plug in the middle of the bottom housing with a 3/8" drive, then insert a plastic tube that comes with the new filter. It presses against a spring-loaded pin and drains the oil from the filter housing. Then, you use the special housing tool to remove the housing and replace the filter. New filter also comes with new o-rings for the housing and center plug. Glad it goes about 8K miles between changes.

dcarp · Sep 3, 2017

Yup, double the fun. At least they "give" you the 12mm Allen wrench with the tractor.

kevinthefixer · Sep 3, 2017

(quoted from post at 16:27:07 09/03/17) Wonder if just punching a hole in the top would let the oil drain back down into the engine?

That works on late-model Toyota trucks. Had a co-worker doing an oil change on one, he had a family emergency so I took it over. Looked at the filter, looked clean & the brand we used, I put the drain plug back in and 5 quarts, fired it up and spray-painted the overhead lights. Hard to see that little hole in a black filter.

JDNewbie · Sep 3, 2017

Not a tractor, but the wife's car has one "upside down" like that. I punch a hole in the old filter on the top, wait for the oil to drain to the pan and then unscrew it. I don't even get oil on my hands taking the old filter off! The only thing even remotely bothersome is I can't prefill the new filter.

JMS/.MN · Sep 4, 2017

Just a bit worse than on thousands of JD tractors with the horizontal filter alongside the engine. Then after 20-30 years, another bozo finally gets it right and JD can holler "Product improvement!".

Texasmark1 · Sep 4, 2017

I bought a 1964 Rambler American with the filter mounted inverted right on top of the engine.....just looked like and probably was just an after thought as that year was the last year they used the 3 main bearing, old design I6 and no doubt it's earlier versions didn't have the "luxury" of a filter. My lawnmower filters are a pain and I just put a wad of paper towels under it to catch the flow.

I too always prefill my filters prior to installation. On the lawn mowers I let the fibers absorb most of the oil and upon installing, do it fast to limit the amount of spillage.

kevinthefixer · Sep 4, 2017

I had a '60 American with the same setup. No worries about prefilling, though, it was a bypass system like a lot of old tractors (including my Case 611B).

fixerupper · Sep 4, 2017

(quoted from post at 05:21:10 09/04/17) I bought a 1964 Rambler American with the filter mounted inverted right on top of the engine.....just looked like and probably was just an after thought as that year was the last year they used the 3 main bearing, old design I6 and no doubt it's earlier versions didn't have the "luxury" of a filter. My lawnmower filters are a pain and I just put a wad of paper towels under it to catch the flow.

I too always prefill my filters prior to installation. On the lawn mowers I let the fibers absorb most of the oil and upon installing, do it fast to limit the amount of spillage.

My 62 Rambler classic six cylinder has the filter in front of the engine and easy to get to and upside down like your American. If I wait awhile to unscrew the filter it has drained back so there is very little mess. If someone wants to do a quick oil change he has do deal with the mess.

mj · Sep 4, 2017

(quoted from post at 17:16:02 09/03/17) Have seen an engine like that with a drain plug under the housing to help make less mess. There's also a moldable lead lined plastic covered funnel thst helps divert oil. My Husky CZ4817 mower has a 17 HP Kohler filter's upside doen with a 1/8" pipe plug that drains the oil onto the frame!!

YEP- MY HUSKY R120S with a BS is like that. They should've taken care of that with a street-ell and a short nipple with a cap for what Husky stuff costs! :evil:

comfortking · Sep 4, 2017

Poke a hole in the side as low as you can and one on top as you hold a small container under it.

wisbaker · Sep 5, 2017

I had a 1960 American, on the flat head six the oil filter was an option, you could also get it with a paper element air filter or an oil bath (option)

kevinthefixer · Sep 5, 2017

(quoted from post at 22:54:00 09/04/17) I had a 1960 American, on the flat head six the oil filter was an option, you could also get it with a paper element air filter or an oil bath (option)

I had the stock oil bath, replaced it with one of those cheap chrome-and-paper ones. The only one I could find to fit the Carter 1-hole was only about 4" diameter, always getting dirty.

GVSII · Sep 5, 2017

(quoted from post at 16:50:37 09/03/17) you should see the filter on my dads charger. old style cover with a non metal filter underneath oil goes on top of the engine, just stuff rags all over and hope you get all of it.

The MOPAR slant 6 had an upside down spin on filter with a stand pipe built in to the filter adapter housing.The pipe went into the filter and wouldn't allow more than 2 Tbs. of oil to drain back into the engine.You got a full filter's worth of oil on you when you took that filter off!

Texasmark1 · Sep 5, 2017

That's funny. I traded in one on the new one which happened to be a left over from the previous year's new cars but didn't sell; blackwall tires, heater, no ac. Only amenity was automatic. The American, I had just bought from a friend and had just fixed it up, put new tires on it and things. I forget what happened but it was something major. I got $500 for it on trade in going against full sticker price on the new one. I had no wheels and the dealer was more than happy to come out to the house and drive me and the mrs. to their dealership and proceed to fleece me. Then sent the wrecker out to the house to pick up the old American after the deal was finalized.

They fixed whatever was wrong with it and in coming back for a warranty repair...a leak just above the heater they fixed by drilling a hole and installing a regular paper clip......what a kludge, I saw it in the used car lot for about twice what they gave me for it. Other thing on that engine was that I had to come back in for the valves to be adjusted, a warranty requirement.......what a joke....make a big mess on a new car. No more AMC for me after that......shucks, I lied....just remembered, I bought a red 4 door, loaded, 1989 Jeep Cherokee for my wife for valentines day. It was one of the AMC unibodies with no undercarriage like Jeeps used to have. Little 4 liter I6 which was a good engine. Got good service out of that.

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