Trailers to haul tractor

So I have an International 574 with loader. I have started looking for a trailer to haul it with and there doesn't seem to be much available in the used market that is a bumper pull and long enough. The tractor is 16' from bucket to three point arms. I plan to be hauling it with a tree planter attached that is 4-6' long by itself. I drive a 3/4 ton suburban so gooseneck is not a current option. Any suggestions? I'd like to see pics of your set ups too if possible. Thanks.

I don"t think a bumper pull is a best practices for that weight and length. 2 ton W/goose neck You bet. Jim

I have hauled my 8N ford with back hoe and loader on a 16 foot trailer with no problems and yes it is at least 18 foot long if not more. What I do is have the loader up in the air some so it is over the tongue of the trailer and the back hoe is swung to the side as far as it can go on the back of the trailer. In your case that maybe hard to do since you have a suburn instead of a pick up. But there are trailers out there in the 18-20 long bump pull just not as easy to find

There is still a lot of information You have not disclosed such as Tilt bed, or ramps? Actual weight of equipment with attachments? Flat Deckover, or fender trailer? How far & how many times a year will You use it? & are You thinking about heavier equipment, or bigger equipment later? How much are You willing to spend will limit what we info we give as well?

There are hundreds of different trailers out there, & manufactures make similar trailers with small enough differences to make a difference. Unless Your tractor is less than 81 inches at the outside of the tires; then it will be a problem for a "Fender Trailer". Meaning fender wells that are above the deck. Most Tilt beds are really heavy, & You loose a lot of hauling capacity. If You are are just traveling 5 miles a couple of times a year? I would drive it. Check some of the following websites for specs...

1) PJ Trailer
2) Corn Pro / Golden Trailers (Golden bought Corn Pro)
3) Sure Trac
4) Econoline

They normally give payload #'s. Which is what I am most concerned with.

You are talking about a loader-hoe that weights at least 10,000 lbs., correct? An empty trailer with a least a gross/loaded weight of 14,000 lbs. is going to weigh
around 4000 lbs. empty. So, you are thinking of pulling over 14,000 lbs. (with the spade) with at best, a light-duty 3/4 ton Suburban? Not something I'd ever try.

I have two backhoes I'd love to be able to move myself. A Deere 300B and an IH 3414. Both around the same weight as what you have. I also have two trailers long enough
but they are only rated for 6 tons total. I have a HD 3/4 ton Ford diesel F250 and even with that - not sure if I ought to be pulling any trailer with one of these hoes
on it. I know that when I lived in NY with all the hills - the thought never came to mind. Here in northern MI with mostly flat roads - maybe? My truck has a bumper
hitch and a gooseneck.

When I was still living in NY, I hired a guy to truck my little Ford 4000 with loader-hoe up to the Adirondacks. That only weighed 9000 lbs. The guy I hired had a F350
dually with a 7.3 diesel and a new bumper-hitch trailer. He did the job for me but when done, he was a nervous wreck and said he'd never do it again.

Are you looking for a deck over like this one? Its a low profile 14,000lb. 21 ft. deck 3 ft. beaver with stand up ramps. This trailer can be had in different weights depending on the weight your hauling. If you vehicle is a 3/4 it should handle it if you watch what your doing. I pull mine with gmc heavy duty K 1500.

20' PJ.Pull with a 7.3 2002 F250. lot of mountain pull. Highways and dirt roads.

I have a PJ 24' gooseneck. Excellent trailer

Tractordata.com shows my 574 diesel to weigh 5150 pounds. Tree planter is suppose to be around 1000 lbs. and I am guessing that the international 2050A loader that is attached to the tractor would be another 1000 lbs. I will have a small spray tank that I will have in the bucket too so maybe another 500lbs. No I don't have any plans to be hauling anything like a large skidsteer or mini-excavator at this time.

PJ trailers seem to be pretty nice. My buddy bought one of their deckover dump trailers and I really like it. It has ramps to haul the skidsteer and the sides fold down for side loading. That comes in way handier than you would think.

Back to my needs. I like the deckover trailers. And I don't know that I would fit between a fender trailer. It would be close. We have Kauffman Trailers nearby and Hudson Trailers seem to be real popular around here too. But all the used bumper pull trailers are short like 16' plus the beavertail. I would like to have a gooseneck and that seems to be what I really need based on length but there is no way I can afford to do that right now.

Hi If I was you I'd be google searching average sized skid steers you are getting up there in weight with your tractor 9000 lb is the average skid
steer weight, I found some are just over 10.000. you don't want to haul a skid steer but it's shorter and the weight could be similar to your
longer tractor outfit.

The other thing is does your tractor have fluid in the rear tires as that will be extra again on the weight.
To be honest I towed a 20 ft lighter build goose neck, with a Fordson major with loader and fluid in the tires( similar weight to your outfit I'm
thinking, plus sometimes lighter tractors without loaders and fluid. I was using a half z71 GMC 4x4 with a 5.7 gas. that was enough for that truck
going up and down hills with 2 braked trailer axles. I had more weight on the truck than a bumper pull will have on your suv. I then went to a 99
long box extended cab f250 superduty 7.3 diesel. a bigger built longer trailer and hauled a bigger tractor the first trip, long distance with it.

There is no comparison. I would never tow with the half ton again unless it was the light trailer taking it somewhere empty or bringing it back.
My thoughts are get the proper equipment, as if you look overloaded the Dot will always stop you to find out Or if you have an accident if that
trailer starts the tail wagging the dog trick, and gets away on you it might end up with wishing you stayed home that day.

I have a P J also and like it very much. It is 22 foot long with power up and down tilt. I had an Econoline 17 foot tilt landscape trailer and it was lower than the deck over trailer but it had trailer house tires on it and leaf springs and it road extremely hard. The P J has radial tires and rubber torsion bar suspension and it makes a world of difference.

I have a beaver tail trailer that looks a lot like wheat farmers, pulls like a dream.

(quoted from post at 12:34:11 06/15/16) I don"t think a bumper pull is a best practices for that weight and length. 2 ton W/goose neck You bet. Jim

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Bumper pull with correct hitch will legally and safely pull five times that tractor.

Tractor 5100+ lb
Loader + bucket 1500 lb
Fluid ballast in rear tires 1200+ lb
Tree planter 1000 lb
Trailer 3200+ lb

Total 12,000+ lb That's a lot for bumper pull trailer.

Can you drive the tractor to the job sites, or use a different tow vehicle?

Try State line trailers. They are out of Iowa and everyone is custom ordered at good prices. I had one built several years ago and still serving me good.

Your other problem, depending on the year of the suburban, is the hitch is only rated for 10,000lbs, MAXIMUM, even with a weight-distributing hitch. For the last two generations of truck, the hitch is WELDED to the frame and is a structural member of the frame. There is no aftermarket alternative.

Back to the trailer, my personal preference is to keep the load as low to the ground as possible. If your tractor is under 82" in width, or it can be narrowed up so it is, there are low profile fender trailers that it will fit on easily.

There are also trailers with "drive-on fenders" also known as "buggy haulers" that have the loading width of a deckover, but the carrying height of a low-profile trailer.

Getting back to the original question on a used trailer. From what I've seen over the last 20 years most often a used trailer is only going to be a couple of hundred cheaper than new in decent condition. They go high. And the few that you can find cheap are beat to death and on top of that the bakes and lights don't work. Take that same used trailer to an auction and you may actually see them sell for new or above new price. The market on them is just crazy! I would suggest you price new out against what you can find used. Keep in mind that it isn't what you can pull, it's what you can stop in an emergency that's the most important part!

Rick

Hi showcrop yes a bumper/or pintle hitch trailer if big enough will take that weight but you got to pull it with a big enough tow vehicle to be
safe/legal. After pulling with my half ton and a goose neck then moving to a bigger trailer and truck, you wouldn't catch me pulling his outfit on a
bumper hitch with a suburban.

Tractor& loader 6500#, times 5= 32,500#s and that can be safely
pulled with a bumper pull?? I must have missed something.

(quoted from post at 07:19:30 06/18/16) Tractor& loader 6500#, times 5= 32,500#s and that can be safely
pulled with a bumper pull?? I must have missed something.

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Yes pintle hitch all day long. My point being that you don't need a gooseneck in order to pull a load.