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Donald Lehman · Nov 9, 2015

Mike in Ohio's off the cuff remark below about those long range rifles making it too easy made me smile a bit. With tongue-in-cheek I'd have to qualify his remark by saying, that depends a lot on the "nut" behind the trigger. I do know a couple of guys who can take deer at 200 yards offhand with near 100% certainty. On the other hand, I know a bunch of guys who are hard put to keep three shots inside a washtub at 100 yards off a bench rest, too.

At this point TimV is nodding sagely and grinning up a storm. We've seen it all at the club over the years, haven't we Tim?

TimV · Nov 9, 2015

Yup, and more often than not, it's the guy with a grand or better tied up in the rifle who can't shoot it for beans! Oddly enough, I find that even with most of the Southern Tier open to rifle hunting now that I still reach for the old Mossberg 20-gauge when I go there--I know what it will do, and what it won't do, and even though we're hunting farmland there are enough houses around the vicinity that I feel better with something I know isn't going to travel a mile if it bounces off a rock.

oldtanker · Nov 9, 2015

I get a good laugh out of a lot of guys around here who A: can't judge distances B: claim every shot they made was way out there, most often 300 plus yards C: are shooting 300 or 7MM mags and never shoot more than 150 yards.

My FIL who was no great hand with a gun took a deer almost every year with a 30.30. His average shot was 20-30 yards.

Rick

4520BW · Nov 9, 2015

I think its good big rifles are not used around here!(Indiana) To many houses and way too may dub*ss in the woods. Opening weekend round here sounds like a war going on with few kills. I use a .458 SOCOM its a short and effective round for deer without the long range danger. I do like to shoot yotes with a 22-250 or 300 weatherby but I know whats behide where I am shooting.

rrlund · Nov 9, 2015

The shop where my oldest son works builds rifles over in the other side. They do a lot of work for State Police,DNR,city police SWAT,things like that. He brings some home for testing from time to time. He brought a 9MM home with a 2 oz trigger and a $4000 scope. They had built it for some SWAT team. That scope even compensated for wind. They were shooting milk jugs at a half mile with that thing. There's a big high voltage power line 3/4s of a mile south of the house and you could count the rivets in the ladders on those steel towers through that scope.
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ditchwitch · Nov 9, 2015

I shoot a 7 mag with 150 grain bullet Mainly because i just like it..I had a 300win mag that i won
from a Ducks Unlimited event. Shot it bout 10 times then sold it. Just alittle bit to much for my
shots. My longest will be no more than 200 yards. But mainly between 100 and 180 are most of the
shots. I never attempted a shot over 200.

Rick Kr · Nov 9, 2015

Don,
The biggest worry I have for my safety is the other hunters out there. Lots of great hunters, but a few that are so hungover or have "just a few" during the day. I steer clear of them.

Northern Michigan I hunt with my 30-.06. Longest shot, 80 yards. Most shots 40-50 yards, due to the amount of cover I hunt in. Definitely I could use a shot gun in most cases.

Longest coyote shot, 314 yards. 30-.06. I like to think im pretty good, but will say there might have been a bit of luck. All my rifles are sighted at 200 yards and group quite well.

Michigan passed a law that you can now use some straight wall rifle cartridges. .35 cal or larger straight wall. Not sure of the performance, seems a lot of rifled shotguns now reach out plenty far.

Rick

dr sportster · Nov 9, 2015

They shot milk jugs at 880 yards with a pistol? . That must be some scope.

Moonlite37 · Nov 9, 2015

I shot NRA Conventional Pistol for two years and my center fire was a Colt .45 Government Model. I heard a lot of people say the Gov. Model is not capable of accuracy and I still maintain if a person cannot shoot a Gov .45 he cannot shoot anything very well. The Gov .45 is unforgiving for poor sight alignment and trigger squeeze.

pete 23 · Nov 9, 2015

Oh the stories about shooting. Rifle or shotgun. I have shot fox running at 200 yards, but I missed about twenty times as much as I hit them. Usually kept them hopping though. Same with shot gun. If you pattern a couple hundred loads you will find out why sometimes those missed shots, where you already had the bird in the frying pan, just seem to escape. No two patterns alike and when you get out beyond about 40 yards, luck really counts. As far as judging distance, well I constantly try to judge. I use the highline poles spacing as a quick reference trying to compare. The sunrise, sunset thing really throw you off. I shot at a deer (many, many years ago) with my 06. Sighted in at 200 yards, I figure the deer to be about 400 yards. Light is just coming in good at sunrise, touched it off, deer calmly walked a couple steps into the woods. I step it off, 200 steps. Well, dumcuff.

rrlund · Nov 9, 2015

Pistol? It was a 9mm rifle they built for a SWAT team.

dr sportster · Nov 9, 2015

It still must be some scope. I don't think I could see a milk jug on a 500 yard range.

rrlund · Nov 9, 2015

Like I said,you can count the rivets in the ladders on the towers three quarters of a mile away. Not a cheap scope,$4000. Did you check out the link? They aren't a repair shop. They have ATF permits to build some pretty exotic stuff.

oldtanker · Nov 9, 2015

(quoted from post at 11:44:02 11/09/15) I shot NRA Conventional Pistol for two years and my center fire was a Colt .45 Government Model. I heard a lot of people say the Gov. Model is not capable of accuracy and I still maintain if a person cannot shoot a Gov .45 he cannot shoot anything very well. The Gov .45 is unforgiving for poor sight alignment and trigger squeeze.

Actually pretty funny but the Army's .45s were in pretty poor overall condition. When they were doing the post cold war/desert storm drawdowns they opened up so warehouses in Germany and found a bunch on new .45's that had been in storage for years. My unit drew them and the next time we qualified with them scores were greatly improved. 6 months later we were issued the M9's, new ones, one of the last active duty units to get them. Scores did not change when we qualified with them compared to the new .45's.

Rick

dr sportster · Nov 9, 2015

I did check it out . I'm probably going to read more after dinner.

K Effective · Nov 9, 2015

Had a guy at work tell me his recent hunting story- chased a deer across the harvested end rows of a field, when the deer turned the corner around the unharvested rows, he shot blindly through the standing corn "where I knew he was going".

Not sure if the shot was dumber or telling the story was. I know the farmer, he found the deer the next day, gut shot.

Bret4207 · Nov 9, 2015

(quoted from post at 17:14:59 11/09/15) Pistol? It was a 9mm rifle they built for a SWAT team.

I think you have your rounds mixed up or misidentified. The 9mm most of us think if is the 9mm Parabellum/Luger/x19, whatever you want to call it, the standard Glock, Browning Hi Power, Smith 39 round. It's at a little handgun cartridge loaded just a little hotter than a 38 Special. I don't thin anyone is going to put a $4000.00 scope and 2 oz trigger on a sniper rifle in 9mm. And I darn sure know nobody is shooting milk jugs at a half mile with one. I imagine it was some other cartridge.

Bret4207 · Nov 9, 2015

(quoted from post at 13:12:10 11/09/15) Mike in Ohio's off the cuff remark below about those long range rifles making it too easy made me smile a bit. With tongue-in-cheek I'd have to qualify his remark by saying, that depends a lot on the "nut" behind the trigger. I do know a couple of guys who can take deer at 200 yards offhand with near 100% certainty. On the other hand, I know a bunch of guys who are hard put to keep three shots inside a washtub at 100 yards off a bench rest, too.

At this point TimV is nodding sagely and grinning up a storm. We've seen it all at the club over the years, haven't we Tim?

I used to work with a bunch of guys that always claimed the were shooting deer at 5, 6, 700 yards, usually "on a dead run". Liars, every one of them. Put a standard pie plate out at 300 yards and have any of the hotshots throw 5 shots at it. If they even nick the plate it will be a miracle.

We have lots of of" "Hail Mary" shooters (not hunters) around here. They ride an ATV to an elevated stand and snipe at deer at unknown ranges. If the deer doesn't fall over dead right there, they assumed they missed. Can't be bothered to check for a hit, much less track it. Jerks like that give real hunters a bad name and help the coyotes stay fat.

rrlund · Nov 9, 2015

Don't know what the cartridge was. I just know these guys build some stuff that's insane. They even build whaling harpoons for the natives in the north. They have some permits from ATF that few shops in the country have.

dzc3 · Nov 9, 2015

The important thing is to know and be comfortable with what ever you are shooting. Taking it out of the safe a couple of times a year might not cut it. I carried a Smith M39-2 for years shot hundreds of rounds thru it. Once shot a coyote on the run at 125 yards. Killed another at about the same distance. Maybe a lot of luck mixed in with a little skill

Fawteen · Nov 9, 2015

The only thing that generates more high quality BS than hunting/shooting is fishing, and I ain't too sure about that.

GeneMO · Nov 9, 2015

(quoted from post at 11:43:03 11/09/15) They shot milk jugs at 880 yards with a pistol? . That must be some scope.

At that range a 9MM pistol round wouldn't penetrate the plastic on a milk jug. Must be some sort of wildcat cartridge.

Gene

RBoots · Nov 9, 2015

Randy, when I saw your other comment I already knew who you were talking about! Last time I was in there they showed me the harpoon gun. I used to work down the road real close to them, and would always drop my stuff off there. They were always VERY reasonable, did good work and the fella I always dealt with (Jim?), was a soft spoken guy but very knowledgeable. When I had him do the rods for our 1850 gas and said something about how much EX valves were ($45-67), he suggested we get some made. He got me straight stem swirl polished Manley racing valves custom built for $20 each! Too bad it is so far out of my way now, they would go out of their way to help me out, so I always told people to take their engine machining needs to them. Between Pierce and Clutch Dynamics next door, I was spoiled. And to any naysayers, they DO build sweet guns, high dollar ones, totally custom built, I have seen quite a few and watched the machining a few times myself.

Ross

sms · Nov 10, 2015

Only thing I will say about about the nut behind the trigger. You are right practice makes all the difference. When we were a whole lot younger my brother and I had the opportunity to shoot rats on several dumps over the course of a number of years. We did a lot of shooting with .22 rifles, shot at small targets, running targets, ect. One day after shooting a running rat I realized I never consciously saw the sights and realized I was shooting by instinct or "point and shoot". A good feeling. I rarely shoot anymore and sure miss those carefree years of youth.

rrlund · Nov 10, 2015

Ya,Jim's general manager,runs the gun shop and does the ordering for the engine shop. Jon does all the engine work.

Donald Lehman · Nov 10, 2015

Yup, all ya gotta do around the campfire is state: "The 30/06 is better than the .270 (or vice versa)because............ and sit back and listen. Lol!

Donald Lehman · Nov 10, 2015

Yes today's optics are truly awesome. However, the old Creedmoor matches were shot at 1,000 yards with iron sights. I believe the black was 36 inches on those targets, weren't they? Can you imagine trying to hit a 36 inch circle at 1,000 yards with iron sights and a 45/70 black powder load?? I've done some 400 yard shooting with Mauser rifles with the standard military V sights. On a really good day I have done 5 shots at about a foot circle. On the not so good days.......................................well the less said about those days, the better! With the amount of shooting I done in the last few years, I'd be doing good to keep them in a three foot circle at 400yds. Lol!

Donald Lehman · Nov 10, 2015

Only ever killed two past 200 yards here, too. One of my sons killed one at the 324 mark quite a few years ago. The vast majority of shots here are between hard off the muzzle to about 200. Usually if the deer is past 300 yards, it's fairly easy to close the gap to 200 or so. Once you get past 300, range estimation down to the yard is critical for sure hits. If you know how far certain landmarks are from your watch, you are fine. If you are hunting unfamiliar land and don't have a range-finding scope or a separate range finder. You are asking for trouble taking long shots. Wind is another factor that becomes big at longer ranges, too.

When I was selling guns, I took a 7mm mag. in trade. I shot it for a while before re-selling it. I really liked the caliber. Very accurate rifle and definitely more thump at 300+ yds than the 06. One of my sons has a Remington .300 Ultra Mag. That thing is like a 7 mm. mag. after drinking a 5 gal. bucket of steroids. Expensive to shoot (case holds about a hat-full of powder) and more of a special use gun. Not much of an all-around rifle. It is fun to shoot, though.

Donald Lehman · Nov 10, 2015

BTDT. Lol! All of us on here got together and wrote a book on flubbed shots, it would be good for a lot of laughs, anyway!

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