Ford 1100 won't turn over

Billy Sweet · Aug 15, 2015

My Dad gave me a Ford 1100 that has run well in the past. As I mowed my field last week, I stirred up a bee's nest. In a panic I shut off the throttle and fled running, leaving the ignition on. After calming down, and nursing several stings, perhaps two hours later I braved the bees and returned to my tractor. The battery warning light was lit, and the bees calmed, so I tried to start my tractor, but no go. It wouldn't turn over, no sound, nothing. I assumed that my battery had been drained enough that the engine wouldn't turn over, so I took the battery out and trickle charged it, and returned, only to find that it still wouldn't turn over. Is it possible that the points or the starter were affected by leaving the ignition on for two-three hours? Should I replace my points? Unfortunately, my tractor is about as far from from the road and my barn as it could be. If possible, I'd like to repair in place, otherwise I need to find a really good friend with a tractor who can help me tow my little beast to a better place to work on her.

Determined · Aug 15, 2015

Have you checked the obvious first?
Shifter, PTO, clutch position, seat safety switch brake etc.
Real easy to forget something simple when you are trying to escape from things that will bite you.
If all those are good your next step would be to check connections at battery, starter and solenoid.
Ensure the battery is properly charged.
Get out a meter or test light and see if the solenoid is getting power when you try to start.

old · Aug 15, 2015

Sounds like to start with need to define some terms so we know what your saying.
#1 it was more likely to be wasp that came at you not bees. Sorry but to me calling all things that sting bees is just FLAT OUT WRONG. Former bee keeps by the way
#2 you say it does not turn over as in the engine does not spin over or does not fire up and run??? The term turn over means to most that the engine spins when the starter switch is engaged so what are you really saying.
I am going to take a guess that your not saying thing correctly and it is spinning over just not firing up.
Also will guess it is a gas engine since you say points.
That all said leaving the ignition on for over an hour is VERY likely to have burned the points up. So your very likely to at the least need to clean the point and or replace them for it to start. Start and trun over do not mean the same thing by the way

Billy Sweet · Aug 15, 2015

HI Determined, thanks for the prompt response!

I think I checked all the obvious first, I'm attempting restart a week after the bee stings.

Just checked the battery, plenty of charge.

I'll check the solenoid next, but honestly I don't actually know here it is located or what exactly it looks like. Is it attached to the starter? Does juiced go from battery to solenoid to starter?

I'm pretty green as a mechanic, even if I am an old fart.

Billy NY · Aug 15, 2015

Its a diesel, Shibaura
1100 ford

Billy Sweet · Aug 15, 2015

HI old, thank you too for your prompt response.

I figured they were bees since they didn't attack me again as soon as I was in the area, but I didn't poke around too closely.

2. with the key in the switch, turned to on, the battery light lit. (also checked the voltage just now, at 13 volts) turn the switch to start, no sound, no turnover, nada. So the engine didn't spin.

I used the term points since earlier I had some help with the alternator not charging or weak charging, where a mechanic neighbor took of the cover off what he called the points and he sanded the contacts a little. Definitely diesel. Not sure what to call the parts I'm calling points.

Ignition was on longer than an hour.

I really am amazed that you and Determined responded so quickly. Thank you.

old · Aug 15, 2015

Sounds like you have a poor battery cable connection since it is not spinning over. Maybe the solenoid but not likely or you do not have it out of gear or clutch held down depending on the safety switches it may have.
By the way many wasps will not attack unless provoked like the Yellow jacket which is a small bee sized wasp and they are ground nesting wasps

Billy Sweet · Aug 15, 2015

HI old, thanks, I'll check that too. The wasps/bees came from an old stone wall, so ground wasps is certainly possible.

Determined · Aug 15, 2015

(quoted from post at 14:22:10 08/15/15) HI Determined, thanks for the prompt response!

I think I checked all the obvious first, I'm attempting restart a week after the bee stings.

Just checked the battery, plenty of charge.

I'll check the solenoid next, but honestly I don't actually know here it is located or what exactly it looks like. Is it attached to the starter? Does juiced go from battery to solenoid to starter?

I'm pretty green as a mechanic, even if I am an old fart.

Simple way to find it would be to follow the heavy positive cable from the battery.
It will go either to a solenoid mounted on the starter or to a solenoid mounted remotely, if it is the remote style then another thick cable will continue on to the starter from the other side of the solenoid.
There will be one or several small wire terminals on it, this is where you will be looking for 12 volt while trying to start.

Billy Sweet · Aug 15, 2015

Thanks Determined I'll check that.

2underage · Aug 15, 2015

Billy, find a friend or a neighbor who knows farm tractors and take him with you to the tractor. Many of the users of this site have had similar experiences and have found ways to make a troubled tractor run but we can not help much from our computers. It could be as simple as a bad switch or the tractor not in the start mode. I suspect that you have a loose connection either at the battery posts or at the starter. An experienced farmer will know how to check the connections and how to jump past the switch to start the tractor and move it to your repair area.

GordoSD · Aug 16, 2015

He said "it wouldn't turn over, no sound, nothing,"

old · Aug 16, 2015

HOW MANY TIME DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU LEAVE ME ALONE.

sotxbill · Aug 16, 2015

MAKE SURE PTO IS OFF, AND ALL GEARS ARE IN NUETRAL.

Billy Sweet · Aug 22, 2015

Thanks Underage, that's great advice.

Thank you, to all of you who posted advice for me.

My failure was almost certainly PTO still engaged. Started right up when I disengaged.

I have a neighbor friend who is a genius mechanic who was unavailable when I posted. Thanks to all of you, I was able to get back up and running while he was up country fishing.

The points I was referring to, after checking with my friend, Ron, weren't points after all (see why I'm not a mechanic? We would probably starve to death if I was a farmer) but the contacts in the voltage regulator he had sandpapered to encourage charging. Since he had done this just before my failure, I somehow thought leaving the ignition on would damage this. I see why this would make some of you think I had to have a gas engine.

All that said, I wish to personally thank each and every one of you who responded.

Each of you is an example of the good samaritan, and I thank you for empowering me to solve my problem.

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