(quoted from post at 21:46:30 01/26/15) The general consensus is yes the wide front is more stable.
I grew up with narrow front loader tractors and never tipped one over. Closest I ever got was raising a rear wheel of the ground trying to lift too heavy a load of manure in the bucket.
I think if your careless you can tip a wide front over just as fast as a narrow.
This might be a question for another thread. Growing up we heard tell of several wide front tractors such as a Ford 8n go over backwards. Never heard of a narrow front doing that. I guess they could.
(quoted from post at 02:39:29 01/27/15) Does putting a wide front on a row crop tractor such as a farmall M or H or a Oliver 77 make them less likely to roll over? I read both ways and I am curious as to if it does or not
(quoted from post at 19:11:45 01/26/15) Farmalls have no pivot point on the narrow front. It's only pivot point is at the ground - about as low as you can get. I'm not sure how the old Deere Roll-o-Matic worked so for them I cannot say. A wide front pivots under the bolster - about two feet higher than the narrow. Like someone mentioned, once you get to the stops on a wide it is too late to do you any good.
My go-to loader tractor is on a narrow front. The maneuverability is superb. I have a loader on a bigger tractor but I like using my M more. I live on pretty flat ground, but I won't push any loader tractor to the "pucker point".
Operator education has everything to do with it. Not intelligence, education.
(quoted from post at 06:15:01 01/27/15)(quoted from post at 19:11:45 01/26/15) Farmalls have no pivot point on the narrow front. It's only pivot point is at the ground - about as low as you can get. I'm not sure how the old Deere Roll-o-Matic worked so for them I cannot say. A wide front pivots under the bolster - about two feet higher than the narrow. Like someone mentioned, once you get to the stops on a wide it is too late to do you any good.
My go-to loader tractor is on a narrow front. The maneuverability is superb. I have a loader on a bigger tractor but I like using my M more. I live on pretty flat ground, but I won't push any loader tractor to the "pucker point".
Operator education has everything to do with it. Not intelligence, education.
BINGO!!! We have a winner!!!
(quoted from post at 06:48:25 01/27/15)(quoted from post at 06:15:01 01/27/15)(quoted from post at 19:11:45 01/26/15) Farmalls have no pivot point on the narrow front. It's only pivot point is at the ground - about as low as you can get. I'm not sure how the old Deere Roll-o-Matic worked so for them I cannot say. A wide front pivots under the bolster - about two feet higher than the narrow. Like someone mentioned, once you get to the stops on a wide it is too late to do you any good.
My go-to loader tractor is on a narrow front. The maneuverability is superb. I have a loader on a bigger tractor but I like using my M more. I live on pretty flat ground, but I won't push any loader tractor to the "pucker point".
Operator education has everything to do with it. Not intelligence, education.
BINGO!!! We have a winner!!!
Let me say respectfully W R O N G!!!!!! In order for a solution to be workable it has to be realistic. What is our expectation that education is going to take place? How many of us when getting our first tractor enrolled in an operator safety course? How many were given a safety course when first hired to work on a farm? how many were REALLY trained by a parent or older brother before being told to jump on? FFA and 4H to a great job for what they do but that is only a drop in the bucket. There can be no expectation of a cure when the solution is one that will not be applied. We all know someone who is reckless but really how often do you get up in the morning and say I guess I will be careless today? What I see is the best prevention of tractor upset is ballasting. Weather wheel weights suitcase weights, tire loading or just a 55 gallon drum on the 3 point, even though a portion of the weight may be above the CG, most of it will be below and regardless of what you are driving or carrying in a bucket, it will often make the difference when the high side tire goes up over a rock in the grass or the low side goes into a chuck hole. ballasting is something that we can get done before taking delivery of the tractor. It can also be done on any given day when one knows that a conscious step towards safety needs to be taken. Once it is done it is not a miracle cure-all, but after that time when it is done, every time the key on that tractor Is turned the operation is a very significant increment safer.
(quoted from post at 01:49:10 01/27/15)(quoted from post at 21:46:30 01/26/15) The general consensus is yes the wide front is more stable.
I grew up with narrow front loader tractors and never tipped one over. Closest I ever got was raising a rear wheel of the ground trying to lift too heavy a load of manure in the bucket.
I think if your careless you can tip a wide front over just as fast as a narrow.
This might be a question for another thread. Growing up we heard tell of several wide front tractors such as a Ford 8n go over backwards. Never heard of a narrow front doing that. I guess they could.
Dean the problem with the small Fords flipping over backwards is the weight. They are so lite that if you was dragging a log and it catches while you are moving it goes over. Or trying to jerk out a stump. Add in that most don't have a real drawbar. Most people just put the 3 point bar on the lower 2 points. Then when trying to snatch a stump or pull a log out the raise it up as high as it will go. Not good. And conventional tractor can flip over backwards. Just most have the weight that they are harder to flip. How many times have you seen the front tires life off the ground?
Rick
(quoted from post at 19:16:58 01/27/15) Yes.
How many NEW NF tractors have you seen made in the last 30 years? How many ATV's have had 3 wheels in the last 25?
Mike
(quoted from post at 16:14:42 01/27/15) Thanks for everyone that weighed in! I don't think I'll worry about putting any wide fronts on a any NF I have or receive.
(quoted from post at 14:29:59 01/27/15)(quoted from post at 01:49:10 01/27/15)(quoted from post at 21:46:30 01/26/15) The general consensus is yes the wide front is more stable.
I grew up with narrow front loader tractors and never tipped one over. Closest I ever got was raising a rear wheel of the ground trying to lift too heavy a load of manure in the bucket.
I think if your careless you can tip a wide front over just as fast as a narrow.
This might be a question for another thread. Growing up we heard tell of several wide front tractors such as a Ford 8n go over backwards. Never heard of a narrow front doing that. I guess they could.
Dean the problem with the small Fords flipping over backwards is the weight. They are so lite that if you was dragging a log and it catches while you are moving it goes over. Or trying to jerk out a stump. Add in that most don't have a real drawbar. Most people just put the 3 point bar on the lower 2 points. Then when trying to snatch a stump or pull a log out the raise it up as high as it will go. Not good. And conventional tractor can flip over backwards. Just most have the weight that they are harder to flip. How many times have you seen the front tires life off the ground?
Rick
What fords are you talking about. The bottom links pull from below the axle. Its pulling from the axle, or the top link bracket that flips em over. Can not flip if pulling from the bottom links as the point of mounting of the bottom links is under the rear axle and after a certain height, the pull will actually limit the tilt.. Too many put a chain around the rear axle or on the top link bracket. And if the tractor had the swinging drawbar, it also was attached under the rear end. The pull from below the rear end was the furguson patent that allowed a small tractor to pull more than its bigger predecessors. Anything from the 2n (1932)on was designed this way.
(quoted from post at 22:39:29 01/26/15) Does putting a wide front on a row crop tractor such as a farmall M or H or a Oliver 77 make them less likely to roll over? I read both ways and I am curious as to if it does or not
(quoted from post at 16:14:42 01/27/15) Thanks for everyone that weighed in! I don't think I'll worry about putting any wide fronts on a any NF I have or receive.
(quoted from post at 15:54:24 01/28/15)(quoted from post at 22:39:29 01/26/15) Does putting a wide front on a row crop tractor such as a farmall M or H or a Oliver 77 make them less likely to roll over? I read both ways and I am curious as to if it does or not
kinda a wash...
putting a wide front on a factory narrow front row crop,
usually raises the front end.
The tiny bit of stability gained with the wide front gets cancelled by the raise of the center of gravity....
IMO, it's not really the tri-cycle fronts balance that gets people in trouble.
It's the NF's far faster/shorter turning radius.
and when it comes to loaders, all bets are off.
too much weight, unbalanced, and too high.....yer going over...no matter how many tires ya got.
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