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while driving on my job, i see two different bumper stickers, one i can"t quite remember, had somthing about american products, [somthing like that] other one was stating to buy 100% american, keeping in USA, now these [both] cars were imports sporting these stickers,,,what are these dummys missing about full american,, namely their cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
(quoted from post at 20:42:44 03/04/14) while driving on my job, i see two different bumper stickers, one i can"t quite remember, had somthing about american products, [somthing like that] other one was stating to buy 100% american, keeping in USA, now these [both] cars were imports sporting these stickers,,,what are these dummys missing about full american,, namely their cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LOL lot of foreign cars are built in America and a Buick my daughter likes and may buy is made only in Mexico.

Rick
 
I used to work with an old hippy. She had a license plate frame that said "may peace prevail on earth" and a bumper sticker that said "kill your television".

I pointed out the mixed message, and the "kill your television" sticker was soon gone.

Josh
 
There's a whole bunch of dumb things idiots put on their cars. One of my most remebered was the old VW microbus that was sitting at a light, making more smoke than a fire just lit with diesel fuel to help it along. It had a sticker on it that proclaimed, "Help us save Mother Earth!!!!!!"......
 
He is right more Japanese cars and several European models are made here in the U.S. And GM makes more cars in China for the chinese market than they make here.
 
I saw a good bumper sticker in 2012 that I remember....I went downtown to get some legal stuff done and when I came out there was a cop writing out a ticket for being 3 minuts over. I pled my case, but he just kept writing so I told him the US is becoming a police state! He looked the vehicle over and found the sticker half ripped off so he wrote another ticket! I said he reminded me of Hitlers brown shirts! He found something else and was writing another ticket....on the car that had a bumper sticker that said "elect Barack external_link".
Didn't bother me none as I took the train downtown! Us old folks have to do something for fun once in a while!!
 
Remember foreign cars are not built in america they are assembled in America. And the profit goes back to the country of origin.
 
Define "make" as in simply "assemble" vs. the foundries and machine shops that actually MAKE the powertrain are here?
 
(quoted from post at 05:34:52 03/05/14) I saw a good bumper sticker in 2012 that I remember....I went downtown to get some legal stuff done and when I came out there was a cop writing out a ticket for being 3 minuts over. I pled my case, but he just kept writing so I told him the US is becoming a police state! He looked the vehicle over and found the sticker half ripped off so he wrote another ticket! I said he reminded me of Hitlers brown shirts! He found something else and was writing another ticket....on the car that had a bumper sticker that said "elect Barack external_link".
Didn't bother me none as I took the train downtown! Us old folks have to do something for fun once in a while!!
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arry that's frickin' hilarious thanks for sharing
 
(quoted from post at 07:11:00 03/05/14) Define "make" as in simply "assemble" vs. the foundries and machine shops that actually MAKE the powertrain are here?
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ou can say what you want but when the foreign junk came over here it really put a hit on the big three now a LOT of good paying jobs have gone because of that plus quality has gone down in u.s. made vehicles (i.e.china steel which we should still be making) to keep costs down to compete with that junk because they can still make MAJOR COMPONETS much cheaper over seas and ship it over here and assemble it and then everybody says oh look it was made in the U.S.A. which evidently makes them feel better they cut out a ton of good paying jobs and replaced them with a few 12$hr.jobs i suppose that's why china owns a lot of the good ole' U.S.A. and where does all the money go back over seas to buy even more of our country we're cutting our own throats some people just don't see it
 
And VW is threatening to NOT build any more plants in the south if the one in Tennessee doesn"t unionize!

For the life of me I can"t see why they can"t just implement some of the ideas they (VW) want without having the union meddling in it all. Empower the employee without the added costs of the union.
 
(quoted from post at 02:11:00 03/05/14) Define "make" as in simply "assemble" vs. the foundries and machine shops that actually MAKE the powertrain are here?
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Ohh we must be talking John Deere then?
 
Many import brands are manufactured here,with import parts.The reason critical parts aren't made here most American workers can't meet the quality requirements to build a GOOD car. Notice they aren't union. Unions ruined the American manufacturers with a don't care attitude. I try to buy American,I don't buy unionmade.
 
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(quoted from post at 07:11:00 03/05/14) Define "make" as in simply "assemble" vs. the foundries and machine shops that actually MAKE the powertrain are here?
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ou can say what you want but when the foreign junk came over here it really put a hit on the big three now a LOT of good paying jobs have gone because of that plus quality has gone down in u.s. made vehicles (i.e.china steel which we should still be making) to keep costs down to compete with that junk because they can still make MAJOR COMPONETS much cheaper over seas and ship it over here and assemble it and then everybody says oh look it was made in the U.S.A. which evidently makes them feel better they cut out a ton of good paying jobs and replaced them with a few 12$hr.jobs i suppose that's why china owns a lot of the good ole' U.S.A. and where does all the money go back over seas to buy even more of our country we're cutting our own throats some people just don't see it
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The "foreign junk" took the market in the early 80's. Why? Because US auto makers had produced the crap they did in the 70's and early 80's. I used to work on that stuff and junk is a good term for a great many of the US autos and trucks of that era. That's why the imports took the market share they did. While the big 3 were producing vehicles that died at 100-150K and got 12mpg, Toyota, Honda and VW were making cars that got 35 mpg and went for 300K. They were a better value. US auto companies had decided they knew what the consumer wanted and that was that. Other than 3/4 ton and above PU's and muscle cars there's still no reason to look at US brands based on quality or price, it's a toss up these days.

And to be clear, buying "US" does not in any way mean all your money is going to a US company. A lot of that money is going overseas, to China, India, Mexico. There is no difference in the end product as far as US auto workers in the states vs offshore auto workers in the states, except the non-union workers actually get all their money instead of losing a good deal to the union. IIRC all the big auto companies are publicly traded and you can buy VW or Toyota stock as easily as Ford and get some of those dollars.
 
If you want made in the US, don't look at the content label on a new GM truck. Here's a hint, less than 50% US content. Everybody is up in arms over the Chinese building a car for the US market, let's face it they are already on the road under the guise of a GM product. Fact of the matter is most Asian and US built European models have higher US content.
 
You must have been reading a lot of union busting propaganda.

These Americans built a lot of war supplies to win WWII from the nice Japanese and Hitler. And they were mostly women and a lot of them were blonds. A lot of the big war supplies were built at U.S. auto plants. Those products all met quality requirements.

The high quality equipment built by the nice Japanese did not float or fly by 1945. But the U.S. built junk was still plying the seas and flying the sky's, and moving on the ground.

Anyone with a don't care attitude is a immature person, male or female, union or non union.

A nice thing about a non union shop is a lot of times everyone works at a different wage. One person could be doing the exact same thing as the person next to them and turning out more products and better quality and making less money. You are not allowed to discuss wages.
 
I just looked at the headlight housings on my Toyota. They were made in USA and the car was assembled in KY. The last Chrysler product I bought was assembled in Canada.
 
But, in the union shop, that slack worker that does little work is making the same as the ones that work hard. But the Union will not let the company fire that worker without a big fight.
 
This reminds me of a fellow that use to work at a rubber molding plant that made the rubber moldings for vehicles. This was in the 70's and 80's period. He said the ones for most foreign cars were about 1/2" thick and the ones for American cars were up to 1 1/2"-2" thick. So that kind of tells you what kind of engineering went into the vehicles.
 
It's pretty tough to define what is domestic versus foreign these days. Even Ford and GM vehicles assembled in the US have a lot of imported content. And of course all the big foreign manufacturers now have assembly plants in the US. Chrysler is owned by Fiat and formerly was owned by Daimler.

If a vehicle is made in Canada or Mexico, is it "American"?

Until a few years ago, Toyota and GM jointly operated the NUMMI plant in California. Nearly identical models were sold as Toyotas and Pontiacs. Were the "Toyotas" American cars? Or were the "Pontiacs" Japanese?

GM has imported Opels from Germany and sold them as "Cadillacs". They've imported Holdens from Australia badged as "Pontiacs". Are these American cars?
 
I think you are a bit misinformed. That may be some cases. I was on a job a while back when a union worker made a small mistake, he was laid off to the street in a blink of an eye.

In other situations there is a procedure to follow and the union worker is fired.

There is a lot of anti-union talk out there.
 
Those Italians bought an American company, saved a lot of tax paying jobs. Those workers are still working now and paying income taxes instead of collecting welfare and unemployment. Chrysler Corporation will always be an American Company even if it is owned by the Italians.
 
Well today it is almost impossible to buy all made in usa . we need a new toaster . and we have come up empty handed . I thought that Kitchen Aid still made one in the U S , Nope made in China . I have a hard time finding work boots that fit as i have a narrow foot . Use to be Mason had boots that fit like a glove and i got good ware out of them . well i bought a new pair of the 989 style boot and lets just say i am not happy with the product . The stitching is poor and they did not come with the removable insole like it claimed and the as i call them Hob nails started to break off due to poor quality steel . and i really don't want to hear how great Red Wings are either . as i have been down that road before and got less life out of the great Red wings. Plus even if you find Made in the U S of A is no guarantee that it is better. Case in point Ft. wheel bearings and hubs(Dumbest stupidest design ever IMHOP ) Needed new hub and bearings for my truck , ok so i can buy at 10% above dealer cost , still 234 bucks . Yea i am CHEAP , so i start looking and i find a place that makes them . So i call them and set up a dealer account . Made in U S A with TIMKIN bearings and my cost on the bearing for my truck is 100 bucks i am happy for 5300 miles when the first one took a dump and the second one went out a little over a 1000 miles later . Then the fight was on . They told me that they failed because i used and impact to install them , Ah no they were all hand wrenched and torqued to spec.'s as i do not have a impact at the house or on the truck and this job was a true shade tree job done under the tree in the back yard. Got new bearings and installed them and the new bearings are headed south once again as you can see that the grease is seeping past the seals .
 
(quoted from post at 05:47:33 03/05/14) You must have been reading a lot of union busting propaganda.

These Americans built a lot of war supplies to win WWII from the nice Japanese and Hitler. And they were mostly women and a lot of them were blonds. A lot of the big war supplies were built at U.S. auto plants. Those products all met quality requirements.

The high quality equipment built by the nice Japanese did not float or fly by 1945. But the U.S. built junk was still plying the seas and flying the sky's, and moving on the ground.

Anyone with a don't care attitude is a immature person, male or female, union or non union.

A nice thing about a non union shop is a lot of times everyone works at a different wage. One person could be doing the exact same thing as the person next to them and turning out more products and better quality and making less money. You are not allowed to discuss wages.
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We aren't talking about 1945 man. And for the record, If the Japanese had had access to the raw materials we did they might well have kept the Pacific. The Japanese didn't produce "junk" for their military, it was darn good stuff. Like Hitler, they lost because of poor planning, incorrect assumptions an stupid decisions combined with the Allies near limitless raw materials. It wasn't lack of quality that lost them the war.

Fast forward tot he 50's and 60's and yes, Japanese stuff was often sub par quality-wise. But we aren't talking about the 50's and 60's, are we? By the early 80's Japan had figured out that cheap junk wasn't getting it done. They went for innovation and quality. It took the US auto makers how long to catch up? I think they're still trying.

American workers could still produce truly fine products, if they want to and if the people with the money are there to buy it. American workers and doing business in the US is just a lot more expensive than doing business elsewhere. Not everyone can afford the luxury of "buying American".
 
(quoted from post at 06:46:29 03/05/14) This reminds me of a fellow that use to work at a rubber molding plant that made the rubber moldings for vehicles. This was in the 70's and 80's period. He said the ones for most foreign cars were about 1/2" thick and the ones for American cars were up to 1 1/2"-2" thick. So that kind of tells you what kind of engineering went into the vehicles.
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The question is- did the part need to be 2" thick in the first place. Heavy vehicles are part of why US vehicles get lousy mileage.
 
I've got inlaws who work for Toyota in Georgetown Ky. My son in law is plant manager at a Japanese owned auto parts manufacturing plant in Michigan. My F250 was made in Canada.
 
My policy is to not buy stuff from countries that killed our ciizens in war or pulled a sneak attack on our nation. I love the beemers with the American flag stickers.The car manufacturing is so muddled you don't know where your Chevy was made . It probably isn't Detroit. My dad was saying yesterday that all the Detroit foundries are shutting down due to the less amount of steel used in the cars of today.
 
Not a big union fan.

I was taught growing up to work hard and give my employer
his money's worth. As a young apprentice plumber on a union
job I was encouraged to slow down and drag it out. Older
guys threatened to get me fired for my "lets get it done"
attitude. I was let go for my "bad attitude".

During that time I had a 72 Chevy truck and a 74 Chevy
Impala. Both vehicles where junk with multiple repairs. By
1980 the bodies where so rusted out that they where not
functional.

During that era union made cars are junk. Union workers had an arrogant extortionist attitude that drove prices up and quality down.

They let the rest of the world in to kick our butts with our own systems and former work ethic.
 
You guys are confusing "Assembled in" versus "made in".
Vehicle assembly is about 10 hours and most of the import auto plants pay about $16/hr...so a small percent of the vehicle cost.

The real cost is the engineering,design and testing, plus accounting, tooling and supply chain. When America lost that part of the auto industry to the imports it put a real hurt on the USA economy. Lots of lost taxes to run our nation. Those white collar jobs were the hopes and dreams we had for our college educated children.

American auto makers were forced to get many parts made overseas to stay competitive with the parts the import auto makers were bringing in.

Cow is out of the barn now. Too bad our leadership was not as protective of our industries as the Asians and Europeans were of theirs.

Assembled in America is a way to placate politcians and convince the Americans that this is a good thing. Just read your own comments.
 
I kinda have to disagree with that second paragraph Edd. Like I said,my son in law works for a Japanese company and makes more money than I ever dreamed of in my life. They're having no trouble putting one daughter through Western Michigan University and the other one through Michigan State. He didn't start out at the top. He started in maintenance working on presses.
Folks in Michigan who used to have $16-18-20 an hour jobs working on the line wouldn't have really cared where the company headquarters were when their paycheck came,they would just be happy to be getting one again. And the communities where they lived would sure be glad to have the business that those paychecks supported too. Income is income. When you're on the receiving end of a paycheck,the name of the company on the account really doesn't matter.
 
A Chevy Pickup is "made" in Canada with fewer American parts than a Toyota Tundra "made" in the US. So which one is the American made vehicle?


http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2012/03/what-percentage-of-your-truck-is-made-in-america.html
 
I've said it here before and I'll say it again. Between the Wife and two Daughters we have 4 vehicles. Two Fords, one Dodge and a Honda. Only one was "Made in the USA" and I'll give you a hint it's not a product of the Big Three. Ford F-150 Oakville Ontario, Ford Fusion, Hermosillo Mexico (and for bonus points it's really a Mazda 6 series platform), Dodge Grand Caravan, Windsor Ontario (produced by a German firm known as Daimler-Chrysler)and a Honda Accord from Marysville Ohio. Someone could write a PhD thesis on the cause for the decline of the US auto industry. My personal opinion is there was market shift that the boys at Detroit didn't see coming and they got blind sided. In many cases our government helped, at least indirectly with the decline by passing laws or fiat decisions with in the government bureaucracy that maybe made our auto makers have to make or do things to cars and trucks the population didn't want.

Remember back in the 50's I'm told the average new car buyer was on a 2 year trade cycle, meaning if you bought a new car you usually traded it in about 24 months. in the 60's that had expanded to about 36 months- just think that alone could mean a demand reduction of about 1/3. Has the emission and safety regulations kicked in in the 70's (or excessive union labor demands depending on who you talk to) vehicle prices drove it to 48 months (reduced new car demand by 50%). At the same time if you bought a new car it was apt to be worse than you old one for economy and reliability. The rise in price of new vehicles can be blamed on increased regulation and labor costs, increased liability or on customer demand. I defend the last statement by asking you to check out a bare bones pick up today and compare it to a similar base truck from 10,20,30 and 40 years ago. Today you get automatic transmission, power steering, power brakes, fuel injection, air bags and anti lock brakes ON THE BASE MODEL! They can't make a base truck with a straight 6, 3 speed on the column, regulations won't let them and they probably couldn't sell enough of them to make it worth all the NHTSA and EPA certifications needed.

Cars are better today than they were in my youth, heck our newest vehicle has 90,000 miles on it. When I was in High School 90,000 miles was getting in to the beater class car unless it was a Volvo or Mercedes. 100,000 miles now means what 50,000 miles did in the 70's. Most new cars today should go 200,000 miles with basic care. It makes sense if we double the life of a product unless there is an expansion of our economy we'll reduce the demand by about 50%.

We no longer have the romance with our new cars, they aren't the status symbol they once were. We don't get new models every year, heck Ford made the same basic truck like mine from 1997 until 2004, unless you're a Ford truck whiz you probably won't notice the difference between a 1997 F-150 and a 2004 F-150 Heritage edition.

Finally understand our economy isn't growing like it once was. It seems our fearless leaders in DC are more worried about snail darters and Kirkland warblers than jobs and security. If we have a solid and secure economy (partially based by being able to produce most of our needs domestically) people are more likely to treat themselves to things like cars, houses, ATVs,Boats, RVs, new appliances and furniture. If we take away that security people tend to make due with what they have. I do feel some folks have deliberately harmed our economy and continue to do so so we'll give them more power to further run our lives, and guys it's our fault 'cause we continue to elect them. Once the taker group is larger than the earner group it's only a matter of when we're going down and exactly where.
 
Worked as a dealer tech until '09, almost every thing electrical in a GM car says made in China. Engine parts, too. When new cars were delivered, we were told by GM to make sure all visible "Made in China" stickers were removed, seems it was a "customer satisfaction issue". All those parts were junk, too. China is the reason GM can"t get any of their radios or nav units to last. As for the new truck content, just look at the window sticker.

I stand behind my comments on the Asian cars. US labor builds more of the parts for Asian cars, and the cars themselves, than for GM cars. If it were not for the Asian parts suppliers, my county would have dried up and blown away years ago. GM was rescued from bankruptcy so it could continue operations in China. China is an emerging market, GM is just keeping up appearances in the US.
 
I worked in union industry my whole career, and I wont say I never saw that happen, but very seldom. At my last place of work there were a few people fired and I don't recall the union going to great lengths to get anyone's job back, and no one ever did. A lot of people are bashing unions, and I will agree some unions have gotten carried away. But I believe unions have set the standard for American wages, and without the threat of a union wages and benefits would be a lot lower. So keep bashing unions and voting against them, pretty soon there will be no middle class, we will have bottomed out, then unions will come back!
 
TV, I have good luck with my Redwings. Get 2- 2 1/2 years out of them . I put bear grease on them every thirty days to keep them water proof and pliable. Nobody is rougher on boots than I am. Construction, mostly roofing.
 
That is a survey of one. Drive over to Lansing, or Saginaw. or flint, or Anderson Indiana. We had a hundred thousand guys with auto plant foremans jobs. Now we might have a couple thousand. We made a bad trade.
 
I think we're probably on the same page,but I saw what happened when a union factory that employed 2700 people,nine miles from my house closed. You might as well have dropped an atomic bomb on this community. If a foreign company had bought that plant and kept it going without a hiccup,nobody would have cared where the company headquarters was. That's my only point.
 
Unions have their minions so indoctrinated, they aren't capable of having an independent thought. All you'll hear is "return of sweat shops", etc....Truth is, almost every documented case where a union was pushed out of a business, conditions IMPROVE, wages IMPROVE, stability of the business itself IMPROVES. I worked almost 40 years as a union carpenter. A popular phrase I heard over and over is, "Expand the work at hand to fit the time available". In other words....slow down and take as much time as possible. Unions tout the quality of their work. Nonsense. Quality is usually lower. Non union carpenters were requited to perform of lose their jobs. Unions protect and shelter poor "craftsmen", basing everything on seniority.

I stayed with the same contractor for my entire career. About 25 years in, I moved into the office as an estimator. I kept my union status current, more as a way of dealing with guys in the field as any reason I can give. Sure wasn't because I believed in what they stood for.

Shortly after I retired, the contractor closed up and went out of business. The union had made them uncompetitive. If I had it to do all over again, I'd never join a union. They've wrecked the American work ethic and turned employee/employer relations into an US vs THEM pi$$ing contest.
 
Uh-oh...no fair! you're resorting to facts! That's not a fair fight!

Sometimes it's just best to nod and mumble "Mmmmm-hmmmm," and let those who willfully avoid the facts enjoy their state of unenlightenment.
 
(quoted from post at 08:51:49 03/05/14) Just so you know - the Italian were GIVEN over half the company - and were paid US tax dollars to take it.
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The UAW got a big chuck of Chrysler too, didn't they? Or was that GM?
 
(quoted from post at 08:17:34 03/05/14) My policy is to not buy stuff from countries that killed our ciizens in war or pulled a sneak attack on our nation. I love the beemers with the American flag stickers.The car manufacturing is so muddled you don't know where your Chevy was made . It probably isn't Detroit. My dad was saying yesterday that all the Detroit foundries are shutting down due to the less amount of steel used in the cars of today.
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That's going to be quite a list. No oil or oil by-products like plastics from mid east oil, no Canadian products (War of 1812), no products from any of the Bristish Empire, nothing from Mexico, Spain, Germany, Italy, Turkey, France, Holland, Luxembourg, Finland, Norway, Austria, Japan, China, anything in the former USSR or it's puppet countries, N Korea (no biggie!), nothing from a great deal of Africa or South America. And of course if you're a Northerner you can't buy anything from south of the M-D line and vice versa if you're a southerner. Hmmmm, I think Portugal, Switzerland, Tibet, Israel and maybe The Canary Islands are okay for you to buy from.

Good luck with that. :wink:
 
I happen to know that there are certain engine components which Honda does not trust American engineers to design. That offends me seeing how I am one of those engineers they don"t trust. I will stick to good old Ford for that matter. All 6 of my fords have been assembled in the US with engines cast in the US.
 
The UAW was given the other part of Chrysler - the union just sold its share to Fiat. Why would they want to own part of what they will drive in bankruptcy?

The UAW also got a big chunk of GM.

The bond holders got screwed on both.
 
I used to haul steel to some toyota plants. All of the steel I hauled in there was Imported from Japan. I also used to haul oil for Toyota, Nissan and Honda, guess what, it all came from a Japanese owned company. I also have worked for a company that sold welding equipment to a plant that made parts for toyota all of there equipment and supplies were imported from Japan. I still drive Ford and Dodge.
 
Think of it this way. The vehicle may be made in Canada or Mexico but the profits from it come back to the USA. The profits from that Toyota made in the USA are going back to Japan. So which is the better one to own?
 
The one made here in the US,even if they are a foreign owned company. The money went to the workers in this country who built it. How do you personally profit from a car that GM builds in China and sells in China? Does GM's profit come back in to your pocket?
 
But you had a job hauling the stuff there. Would you have had a job hauling things to a GM plant in Mexico?
 
Yes if your a stock holder in that manufacturer. The car GM made and sold in China made a profit for GM and that profit came back to an American company. If your a stock holder and it is profitable you also made some money.
 
A couple years ago the Toyota Tundra was the vehicle that was most made in America.

There were a lot of reasons for the decline of the US auto companies. Unions were part of the problem. Management was a big problem too. US companies got too top heavy.
They also weren't on a level playing field with the Japanese.
Back in the late 70's and early 80's (when the US lost the war to the imports) Japan was subsidizing their auto industry. They would pay about $1000 per vehicle shipped to the US. That's at a time when $5K-$6K would buy a really nice car so those subsidies really bolstered the Japanese auto companies.
Japan also taxes cars more as they age(or at least they did back then). By the time a car was 10 years old it was taxed so much it was cheaper to buy a new one.
 
(quoted from post at 11:03:58 03/05/14) I happen to know that there are certain engine components which Honda does not trust American engineers to design. That offends me seeing how I am one of those engineers they don"t trust. I will stick to good old Ford for that matter. All 6 of my fords have been assembled in the US with engines cast in the US.
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If you ran an American car company would you have your engineering done by engineers in Khazakstan, Ethiopia, Cuba or Madagasgar? How about Russia or Poland? Turkey or Spain? Mexico?

I wouldn't take it personally.
 
(quoted from post at 18:52:16 03/05/14) Think of it this way. The vehicle may be made in Canada or Mexico but the profits from it come back to the USA. The profits from that Toyota made in the USA are going back to Japan. So which is the better one to own?
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The only way the profits go back to Japan is if the stock is owned by a Japanese national. If an American buys Toyota stock the profit comes back to the US. Same with any other publicly traded company. The dollars Toy or any other off shore company spends in the States do not somehow go back to Japan or Germany. The money GM makes selling the pitiful few cars or trucks they do in China, Japan, etc. goes to stockholders around the world, it doesn't come back to and remain in the US. This is why it's called a "global economy".

Which one is the better one to own? Who's hotter- Ginger or Mary Ann? Russell or Monroe? Wilma or Betty? IMO the better one to own is the one that gives the consumer the best value for his money for the longest period of time that meets his needs most completely. If that's a Ford, great. If it's a Toy, that's fine too. No one can say the Ford puts more money back into the US economy that the Toy does as a percentage. I wish it were that easy.
 
(quoted from post at 20:45:57 03/05/14) A couple years ago the Toyota Tundra was the vehicle that was most made in America.

There were a lot of reasons for the decline of the US auto companies. Unions were part of the problem. Management was a big problem too. US companies got too top heavy.
[b:c415c074f5]They also weren't on a level playing field with the Japanese.
Back in the late 70's and early 80's (when the US lost the war to the imports) Japan was subsidizing their auto industry.[/b:c415c074f5] They would pay about $1000 per vehicle shipped to the US. That's at a time when $5K-$6K would buy a really nice car so those subsidies really bolstered the Japanese auto companies.
Japan also taxes cars more as they age(or at least they did back then). By the time a car was 10 years old it was taxed so much it was cheaper to buy a new one.
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And today it's the US that's heavily subsidizing the auto industry. Too big to fail, remember?
 
And today it's the US that's heavily subsidizing the auto industry. Too big to fail, remember?
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Should have let them fail or survive on their own. The US auto industry lost the war with the Jap's in the 70's and 80's. The ridiculously expensive bailout didn't change that.
 
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