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Don S.

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On the home page here, there are about 10 tractor companies listed. From Allis to Oliver.

Each of these companies contributed something. Ferguson invented the 3 point hitch. Some had great motors, others great trannys.

List something each company invented that made them unique.
 
IH - Tricycle design, Torque Amplifier, Cultivision, Fast Hitch

John Deere - 2 cylinder engines (they didn't invent these, but they popularized them), hand clutch (same here)

Allis Chalmers - Snap Coupler, Power Director

Oliver - 6 cylinder engines, streamlined styling

That's what I can think of off the top of my head. Forgive me for missing many inventions!

SF
 
With the 190XT, etc., Allis Chalmers introduced the VENTILATED, see-through engine!
 
Allis--No-Till planter,Round baler, most popular combine ever.
Oliver, Cockshutt--live PTO
Sure there's lots more I'm missing
 
Allis Chalmers, first tractor on rubber, spin out wheels, wasp waist bell housing design, first rear engine production tractor (G), power adjust front end. Also first to market with a turbo charger (D19D). Also had a superior implement coupler, Snap coupler. Also the first fuel cell powered tractor prototype. There are probably more, but that's all I can remember, tonight
 
the oliver/hart parr was the first gasoline powered tractor,as opposed to the steam engins popular a the time
 
Not an invention but to MY knowledge IH built practically all their engines. Even their V8 Diesels. That was back in the 70s & 80s and I am subject to being wrong.
Please correct me if I am.
 
Allis no-till corn planter, John Deere 7000 planter changed everything you have to have one or a clone.
 
A couple non-IHC engine powered IHC products:

Early production F12 tractors had a Waukesha-built engine.

A small Continental flathead (Y69?) was used as the power unit on some pull-type combines, eg. the 52-R.
 
The IH T/A spawned the John deere power shift.
The IH fast hitch.
Allis Chalmers wd-45 Hitch control.
 
Ford- select-o-speed
My post below forgot that.
Caterpillar- Pony start engines? Maybe. Not sure?
John deere was the first I saw with the can in the cab either assist.
John deere- Roll-o matic front end
John deere- adjustable seat for the weight of operator?
ForD- Possibly for the two stage clutch for "live" pto
 
what year did that come out? Ive always been told IH was the first to use a power shift type clutch pack.
 
I guess if you aren't smart enough to maintain a tractor, you can bash it anytime the topic comes up, boob.....I have yet to see a bad 301 engine.
 
(quoted from post at 18:33:51 07/01/11) IH - Tricycle design, Torque Amplifier, Cultivision, Fast Hitch

John Deere - 2 cylinder engines (they didn't invent these, but they popularized them), hand clutch (same here)

Allis Chalmers - Snap Coupler, Power Director

Oliver - 6 cylinder engines, streamlined styling

That's what I can think of off the top of my head. Forgive me for missing many inventions!

SF
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Guess he should have said good inventions!

The Snap coupler with farmers that started with mules and horses and didn't know anything about machinery was a disaster waiting for a place to happen! Coupled with bad management decisions that made it so that you had to buy AC implements to use it really hurt the company in the long run. IH with the 2 point quick hitch had the same management problems. So those were not great inventions. The Power Director wasn't a great invention but simple a poor mans answer to faking true live PTO. Again a management decision to save a few bucks.

IMHO the great inventions were true live hydraulics and PTO, 3 point with draft control, power steering, power shift and a comfort control cab with both heat and AC. Those are the inventions that are still around today! If the farmers hadn't wanted/needed/liked them they would have passed with the DODO Bird, Snap Coupler, Power Director and Quick Hitch.

Bad management decisions destroyed AC, Oliver, MM, IH and others along the way.

For example, AC targeted smaller farmers with cheap tractors and great ad campaigns. When the markets and subsidies died in the late 70's and 80's so did the small farmer......ops there went AC's customer base!

Oh sure it wasn't all of the companies fault. Part of the blame lies with the farmers. The small guys worked their kids to death! When they finished high school they went on to other things cause they had already been worked too hard! Dad had no one to take over! So he quit and retired cause JR was working a factory job in the city!

I have an advantage over a lot of you guys because I grew up in the burbs of NYC! Then at 16 in 1971 I moved into farm country. I was an outsider looking in. I went to school with kids that couldn't wait to get off the farm and away from all that back breaking work! Kids who wanted to take the 4Th of July off but instead spent the day in the hay field and that evening in the barn milking! I spent my 1st 4th here in the hay field with a farmers son who is now my BIL. He was really angery because he wanted to take the day off but his dad said NO! He treated his own kids the same way. He has one son out of 7 who wants to farm!

Rick
 
Sorry, Nodle, I never owned or operated one, so I am NOT at fault for their demise. There is NOT a single Allis survivor around here (they all went for scrap) but LOTS of red and green ones. WHY chastise me for telling the truth about CRAP tractors produced by a company that got their just rewards and FADED from existence???

Don't agree with me.. just look around at the IH's or Deeres from the SAME era that are STILL working and earning their keep!
 
The first tractor tested with live PTO at the Nebraska test was a Cockshutt model 30 in 1950.

Gary
 
Ford-mass, assembly line production, resulting in low enough cost to enable sales volume exceeding all other brands put together for two years.
 
Friends and I enjoyed working on local farms.It was the only place teenagers could make money.We took care of the milk room after school.Fed hens, picked eggs.We didnt know we were being abused.We dressed chickens Friday nights, put them in the cooler.Farmer took them to Boston saturday morning to regular customers.We had income within walking distance of home.Todays teenagers are pansies.The 40 acre farm I worked on is gone,100 condominiums on it.The hatchery I worked on was sold in 1965.The dairy I worked on sold the cows in 1983 the last time I went back there.
 
john deere R 1949 had live power. oliver 88 had live power in 1948 so how can cockshut have it first in 1950? I believe a hart parr 18-36 had a live power shaft available in 1929.Paul
 
I didn't say Cockshutt was the first with live power.

It was the first one tested in the NE test in 1950 that had live power.So it would have been before the 1952 JD.

I also thought Oliver had it sooner but did not know the year for sure so I didn't use that one to disbute the 52 JD.

Gary
 
According to the Cockshutt literature I have, the Nebraska test of the independent PTO Cockshutt 30 was in May and June of 1947, but it was available at some point earlier, when the Cockshutt 30 came on the market after the war. Oliver followed very soon with their new 77 and 88 line with a very similar system (a few months later).
 
Knudson Tractors made in Crosby ND were the first with "crab" steering and self leveling for hillside use. The rights were sold to Allmand Bros.
 
I have heard a few bad things about the 2 point fast hitch. I don't have much experience with them, so I can't speak for myself. I have, however, been around 140s and such with the 1 point hitch. All the farmers around here, myself included, think that it is the best hitching system, surpassing the 3 point. It's only flaw is that there is not much lift capacity, not over 800-1000 pounds.

SF
 
You need to call 'em and tell 'em to quit lying about that one (if you can do so without creating more drama) . IH T/A was out a couple years prior.
 
Actually on the live or independent pto THE POST WAR Cockshutt-Coop and Oliver were late comers. The Coop Model C built in either 1941 or 1942 had independant pto that ran off the front end of the tractor engine with 2 heavy V belts to a shaft that ran along the left side of the tractor (the frame was modified to provide clearance for those belts)) to the back end where there was a gearbox to center the pto and also had the clutch in to stop the shaft. That tractor was about the sise of the John Deere B built in those same years.. When the war started that was the end of the COOP model C tractor and I would love to have one of those. The normal Model C has a standard type of PTO.
 
#1 best invention was the 3-point hitch. Others tried with limited success to market their response, but all faded into oblivion. Nostalgia being what it is, some people still think the IH fast hitch was "all that". Same with Snap couplers. Good ideas, but outdated from the get-go.


JD...Soundgaurd cabs. There are better cabs NOW, but when they were introduced, no one was in the same league.


Case...Buying IH and tossing everything but the name!

MF...Perkins AD3-152 engines.

CAT...Buying Perkins from MAssey Ferguson
 
I thought that Case IH used International transmissions in their tractors. I also believe that one of the main reasons for Tenneco purchasing IH and merging it with Case was so they could have the Axial Flow combines. Even to this day, Axial Flow combines are, arguably, the best that exist.

SF
 
There was a Farmall B with first Roll-o-matic which the inventor took to IHC company to sell. Ahh- mazing but they rejected it. So JD bought the rights to built them. This Farmall B was at the RPRU a couple weeks ago along with pictures & written info.
It was a hint of failure to come later. Maybe the classic "Too big to Fail?"
 
First Case IH tractors were essentially repainted Case tractors.

Arguably....That's 99.99% of what Binderoids have to offer....Arguments.


Case had tractors....and not much else. They bought IH for a full line of implements and the combines. NONE of which quite fall in the catagory of "inventions that revolutionized tractors".

At the moment Case bought IH, Harvestor's tractor line was about 10-15 years behind the curve.
 
2+2 tractors offered the most power for their size of any other tractors, because of their superior weight balance. That line failed because it was too far ahead of its time. I suppose that design could fall into the "great inventions" category. That was one example, and I could find you others if I need to.

Also, what exactly is a "Binder"? I have heard that term used, but I fail to understand the meaning behind it.

I would like for other folks to comment on this discussion, so we can have some outside, non-biased opinions.

SF
 
2+2 was what? That's just ridiculous! It took about six football fields to turn one around for starters....

Ahead of their time....That's funny!!!
 
"Binder" is short for "cornbinder", which is slang for International, that I've heard since childhood, from folks with no prejudice against IH. Don't know where the term came from (aside from the obvious possibility that IH produced a corn binder, and for some reason the whole line came to be called that).
 
STS- Synchro-Tri-Six transmission, three ranges with six speeds each, with the 1-2, 3-4, and 5-6 shifts being powershift, like the JD powerquad.

Every 72 and 7488 not in private hands was destroyed as soon as the papers were signed.

Ever seen one?
That's where the Magnum rear-end and 18 speed powershift was born.

They had 4 models planned up to 300 PTO HP, but never got the 76's and 78's into production.

The AC powerdirector is nice for PTO work, especially round baling. Plug up the pickup head, pull uphill,hit the clutch, let it roll slowly back and feather the hand clutch, and you can usually spit the plug right back out.

I'd give IH credit with actually putting a road gear in the tractor. Had a neighbor with AC's that complained about us having to shift the IH on hills, when he didn't. He also didn't like it when you topped the hill behind him, shifted back into high, and passed him.

One thing about the 4840 I hate. Top speed 17.8MPH by GPS, unless going downhill.

Ford may have built the first powershift, but JD didn't get the bugs worked out. Unless you want to count the powerquad. The 4450s and even 7810s still jerk and lunge and do all kinds of weird things on the 6-7, 11-12, and 13-14 shifts. Even in newer ones like the 7820, the powerquad is superior to the powershift, in that the shifts are a lot smoother.
 
Again, No IH tractors had a true powershift.

First generation Case IH DID NOT have "IH transmissions".

2+2 was a cruel joke played on Binderoids.

There's a reason why they were scrapped. Case didn't want to have something so ridiculous on their reputation.

GOD made Binderoids so the rest of us would have something to laugh at!
 
Seen one? I've been IN one...about 15 years ago. Owner is still in the field with it, trying to turn it around. Most ridiculous tractor ever produced.

So what if they had prototypes that never saw full production....So did EVERYONE else. Too bad IH went belly up and ended up as Case/IH/NH/FIAT/insert your name here....before they could make up for several decades of sucking hind t!t.

Binderoids always CLAIM Deere powershifts to be "jerky". That's called a firm shift into a HIGHER gear. You all are just used to T/A's "cushioning" shifts when the constantly slip.
 
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