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Terry Mi.

07-03-2003 07:13:16




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Per my past post have had trouble starting my TO 35, I have replaced the wires, it would not make any noise when I turned the key. So I replaced the solenoid and still nothing. I have followed the previous wiring along w/diagrams. Is it possible the voltage regulator is no good? They look alittle pricey so I want to makesure before I invest, Also would a voltage regulator from a NAPA store work? First I had timeing and starting problems now it wont even turn over. Frustrating

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Ray,IN

07-03-2003 08:37:38




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 Re: Electrical ?? in reply to Terry Mi., 07-03-2003 07:13:16  
Terry! Before trying any of these valid tests-PLEASE PLEASE ASSURE YOURSELF BOTH GEARSHIFTS ARE IN NEUTRAL!!!! Your tractor WILL start in gear and move by bypassing the safety switch!



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James, UK

07-03-2003 08:03:31




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 Re: Electrical ?? in reply to Terry Mi., 07-03-2003 07:13:16  
Voltage regulator shouldn't affect anything other than charge in the battery - which presumably you have?

Do you have voltages where you ought to have 'em, when you ought to have 'em? eg at starter solenoid, and does it click when you try to start?

What happens if you jump from the battery non-earth terminal to the starter terminal - does it turn the engine over then?

Even if you don't have a voltmeter, a length of wire and a bulb can be used to test the circuit for continuity/voltage.

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Terry Mi.

07-03-2003 08:48:14




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 Re: Re: Electrical ?? in reply to James, UK, 07-03-2003 08:03:31  
I just tried connecting a 10 gauge wire from the positive hook up on solenoid to the starter and nothing happened. Only a few sparks before I pulled the wire away.



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Terry Mi.

07-03-2003 08:17:20




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 Re: Re: Electrical ?? in reply to James, UK, 07-03-2003 08:03:31  
Another comment. I notice all of the electical diagrams call for a starter button and key switch, my to 35 has only the key switch. Would it be possible the nuetral switch has gone bad? Is there a way to bypass that?



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James, UK

07-03-2003 08:24:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Electrical ?? in reply to Terry Mi., 07-03-2003 08:17:20  
Yes it's possible that switch may have gone bad - if you can find the two wires connected to it, temporarily 'short' the switch out of the circuit, and see if that means the rest of your starter circuit works.



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Terry Mi.

07-03-2003 15:04:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Electrical ?? in reply to James, UK, 07-03-2003 08:24:55  
James, By temporaryilly shorting out the switch, do you mean,run a wire between the two? I did have my battery tested and it is ok. I have replaced all wires, key switch, & solenoid. I am concerned that nothing happens when I put a wire between the positive battery and starter.



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Terry Mi.

07-03-2003 08:12:04




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 Re: Re: Electrical ?? in reply to James, UK, 07-03-2003 08:03:31  
James, Thanks for the reply. I have the battery on a charger with charge. The solenoid does not click either the old or new. When you say jump from non-earth terminal to starter are you saying from positive battery to starter?



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James, UK

07-03-2003 08:22:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Electrical ?? in reply to Terry Mi., 07-03-2003 08:12:04  
If your tractor is negative earth, yes.

That will at least show if your starter is working OK.

Your solenoid should click when you operate the starter mechanism - so if all is silent, I suspect you (or someone else) wired something incorrectly.

The solenoid should operate off a low current 12v (from the starter switch), and close a big pair of contacts able to carry the starter current. When this happens, the relay should click loudly.

You could try running a length of wire from the positive battery term to the solenoid to see if it works when you do that . . . . . but disconnect the starter first - at the solenoid end to prevent short circuits and 'Bangs'.

Slow methodical fault finding is the key, try one piece of the circuit at a time.

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Terry Mi.

07-03-2003 15:55:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Electrical ?? in reply to James, UK, 07-03-2003 08:22:32  
Which terminal on the solenoid would I run the wire from the + battery to. The one on top is already hooked to the battery, the other larger one on the bottom goes to the starter, the top one on the side (smaller terminals)is hooked to the nuetral switch, the other is not used. If ther is no click does that mean the new solenoid is no good? Is this the only test to see if it is ok? There is 12 volts between the battery hook up on solenoid and the nuetral switch terminal.

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James, UK

07-07-2003 01:12:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Electrical ?? in reply to Terry Mi., 07-03-2003 15:55:40  
Sorry for the delay in replying - I've been out of contact - and thanks Ray, IN for the comments on ensuring your gear levers are both in neutral - a good point and one I should have made, although I think I suggested disconnecting the starter, so your engine couldn't start.

Right, now on to your question. This is probably the only valid test you can do on a solenoid - see if it clicks, but without seeing yours, I cannot give precise details - what you could try is as follows.

With one end of a length of wire connected to the positive battery terminal, flash the other end of the wire against the solenoid - on the connector that goes to the neutral switch - the solenoid should click.

From your description, the solenoid is wired as follows - the wire to the battery, and the wire to the starter (both big thick cables?) are the 'switched' wires. The body of the solenoid is grounded to earth and is the coil for the solenoid - and the wire to the neutral switch provides the momentary positive 12V to the coil, which pulls in the connector to operate your starter.

If it doesn't click, the solenoid is dead - replace it. If it does click, it looks like the problem is in the neutral switch - replace it.

I would not want to drive a tractor without a neutral switch - it is there as a safety feature, and should be respected as such.

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Terry Mi.

07-03-2003 18:50:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Electrical ?? in reply to Terry Mi., 07-03-2003 15:55:40  
Also there is 12.85 volts at the solenoid from the battery terminal and the one going to the starter.



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James, UK

07-07-2003 01:13:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Electrical ?? in reply to Terry Mi., 07-03-2003 18:50:02  
That makes sense, see above response.



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