D19 Wheel Won't Move

quincy_allis

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My 17 year old son just brought home grandpa's D19 that's been sitting in the yard for 20+ years. So far we've been able to free up the motor which was a huge blessing!! To try firing it up we have a few things to work on yet :D
But, as we were pushing it into the garage with the assistance of a skidsteer, the left rear tire will not move. The right one will move just fine. We know it's in neutral, so that's not the issue. I'm wondering if it's a frozen up brake. Does that sounds like a logical place to start?
 
(quoted from post at 14:05:01 01/09/23) My 17 year old son just brought home grandpa's D19 that's been sitting in the yard for 20+ years. So far we've been able to free up the motor which was a huge blessing!! To try firing it up we have a few things to work on yet :D
But, as we were pushing it into the garage with the assistance of a skidsteer, the left rear tire will not move. The right one will move just fine. We know it's in neutral, so that's not the issue. I'm wondering if it's a frozen up brake. Does that sounds like a logical place to start?
Yes. Remove the fender and brake compartment cover and yank the drum out and leave it out to see if you can now roll the wheel. I'd sure be draining the final drives if it's been sitting outside all this time. I guarantee they will have water in them.
 

Yes, that's one of the first things we did. and yes there was plenty of water in the rear end! We actually had to heat it up slowly because it was frozen in ice. But we're past that now. We'll pull the drum and see what happens. Anything special I need to remove that?
 
(quoted from post at 14:54:57 01/09/23)
Yes, that's one of the first things we did. and yes there was plenty of water in the rear end! We actually had to heat it up slowly because it was frozen in ice. But we're past that now. We'll pull the drum and see what happens. Anything special I need to remove that?
3/4" socket and ratchet.
 
I don't know what kind of brakes are on that tractor. I had a car recently with a frozen wheel. It had shoe type brakes and the lining had come loose and got jammed
between the metal brake shoe and the drum. I did not try to push it backwards. If it has shoe type brakes and if you haven't taken it apart yet, you could try pushing
it backwards. if it goes backwards it could be something jammed as on mine.
 
Each final drive holds 2 gallons of 80/90 wt gear oil. If it was mine, I'd dump in 2 gallons of regular hy-tran hydraulic oil AND two gallons of diesel fuel (in each side) and drive it down the road for a mile and let it drain overnight !!!! Refill with 2 gal of 80/90 wt.
 
D-19's all had combination BAND and DISC brakes. It was the first AC tractor to use that type of brake built by Bendix Corporatioin.
 
(quoted from post at 05:46:23 01/11/23) D-19's all had combination BAND and DISC brakes. It was the first AC tractor to use that type of brake built by Bendix Corporatioin.

Thanks for everyone's responses. We'll work on it this weekend and see if we can open up that brake. We'd like to put stands under this tractor. What does everyone recommend for stands? Do you build your own, or are there stands that go high enough to get under the axles?
 
(quoted from post at 12:46:29 01/12/23)
Any chance you are in Quincy,IL ?

If so I'd be glad to stop by and help you out.

Thanks for the offer, but if you're ever coming through southern michigan (Quincy Michigan) feel free to stop by!!
 
You don't need any jack stands to work on the brakes on a D-19, unless for some reason the rear tire is all the way in against the fender.
 
(quoted from post at 13:52:06 01/12/23)
(quoted from post at 12:46:29 01/12/23)
Any chance you are in Quincy,IL ?

If so I'd be glad to stop by and help you out.

Thanks for the offer, but if you're ever coming through southern michigan (Quincy Michigan) feel free to stop by!!

Well I come thru Quincy, MI a couple of times a year on the way to see my daughter!

If you have to remove the drum and disc, you will need to remove the tire, final drive and axle, as the drum is splined to the axle.


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The D19 does not have external final drives like the D17,
170/175/180/185 as shown in the photo.

The brakes are external on the bull pinion shafts.
 
(quoted from post at 14:49:00 01/13/23) The D19 does not have external final drives like the D17,
170/175/180/185 as shown in the photo.

The brakes are external on the bull pinion shafts.

Whoops my mistake. This sure makes it easier to get that nasty bottom pin out!
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(quoted from post at 14:04:15 01/13/23)
(quoted from post at 13:52:06 01/12/23)
(quoted from post at 12:46:29 01/12/23)
Any chance you are in Quincy,IL ?

If so I'd be glad to stop by and help you out.

Thanks for the offer, but if you're ever coming through southern michigan (Quincy Michigan) feel free to stop by!!
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For any others who are going to attempt brakes on the D-17 series 4 or 170-175-180-185, the hydraulic valve console does NOT need to be removed to do the right side brake. Some of the linkage underneath can be disconnected and wired up out of the way and the axle will easily slide out underneath.

This post was edited by DrAllis on 01/13/2023 at 05:37 pm.
 
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So i was able to remove the left side brake. I don't think this is what's stopping the wheel from moving now. I think i'm going to jack it up off the ground so both tires are off the ground and try moving the tire again. If it moves, then great. If it doesn't move, what would i investigate next? I believe it's in neutral, so i would think, even if the clutch is seized, that would not stop the tire from rotating. If it's not brakes, what should i look at next?
 
(quoted from post at 13:13:17 01/19/23) .
So i was able to remove the left side brake. I don't think this is what's stopping the wheel from moving now. I think i'm going to jack it up off the ground so both tires are off the ground and try moving the tire again. If it moves, then great. If it doesn't move, what would i investigate next? I believe it's in neutral, so i would think, even if the clutch is seized, that would not stop the tire from rotating. If it's not brakes, what should i look at next?
With both rear wheels off the ground and brakes not dragging, turn one wheel and if the transmission is in gear, the other wheel will turn the opposite direction. If the transmission is in neutral (and there's nothing wrong with the transmission) each rear wheel should turn independently of the other.
 

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